Manchester Synagogue Attack

Why is FGT being hounded over one remark which many others will be thinking?

At close range a pistol bullet is capable of penetrating a door of fairly light construction, even a heavy door might not prevent injury to someone pressing against the other side.

I am watching the vigil in Manchester, with David Lammy addressing the crowd.
Hecklers shouting while he is speaking.
Appalling behaviour.

Oh heck …

“Manchester attacker’s father praised Oct 7 Hamas terrorists
Days after the terror group attacked Israel, Faraj Al-Shamie said ‘men like these prove they are Allah’s men on earth’”

Latest headline in the Telegraph.

So sad when you think the terrorist’s father is a surgeon, back in Syria, saving lives yet his son has murdered two innocent souls.

The terrorist was living in a council house in Crumpsall with his mother and two brothers. (Manchester Evening News).

Not too surprising that the murder’s forename is Jihad. Presumably named by his parents. He was 35 not 15!

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Boz

What is it about Islamic Fundamentalism that feels it needs to violently inflict harm on innocent people.
They are a S
courge.

Manchester is a great city - half my family live there and I have been up and down for twenty years. Well done to the Police.

Nobody knows whether the man was motivated by fundamentalism. Just a thought, but this man will have known about the conditions in war torn areas via his father, who worked for the International Red Cross as a trauma surgeon. He would have been aware of life in his country of birth (Syria) and other places such as Palestine, Yemen and Sudan. Maybe the knowledge was too much and made him mad/angry - mad enough to kill people he mistakenly thought as responsible, which can happen when rhetoric is ramped up. Just speculation.

Sussexborn

Not too surprising that the murder’s forename is Jihad. Presumably named by his parents. He was 35 not 15!

I looked this up this morning. It's a relatively common first name in Syria.

I couldn't care less what feelings he had.

Galaxy 👍

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh heck …

“Manchester attacker’s father praised Oct 7 Hamas terrorists
Days after the terror group attacked Israel, Faraj Al-Shamie said ‘men like these prove they are Allah’s men on earth’”

Latest headline in the Telegraph.

So sad when you think the terrorist’s father is a surgeon, back in Syria, saving lives yet his son has murdered two innocent souls.

The terrorist was living in a council house in Crumpsall with his mother and two brothers. (Manchester Evening News).

His son murdered one person (as far as I know).

Those two people died because of his actions. If he hadn't been in a synagogue stabbing people the police would not have been needed would they.

sunami

ronib

I have discovered that the father of the assassin is apparently a trauma surgeon working here. I don’t know if this is true but if it is, I wonder how his son became radicalised and if the government needs to rethink its approach? Clearly from an educated family and apparently working as a tutor in English and computing- just what happened to cause a young man to kill?

No idea, but if his father is a trauma surgeon and is the one on social media who is currently working in Sudan, maybe the son became traumatised by what he saw his father witnessing and treating. Maybe he blamed all Jews for what is happening in Gaza. Just speculation. Trying to find a reason, just like everybody else.

There is no excuse for terrorism and no reason.

It's worrying that there seem to be more apologists for terrorists now because of what is happening in Gaza.

What happened in Syria had nothing to do with the Israel and what is happening in Gaza is perpetrated by the Israeli Government, not by Jews in general.

I agree with you Allira and I'm not being an apologist. The man is dead, so he can't be punished, but it's natural to try and make sense of it. Something motivated him, but what?

What is perpetrated in Gaza …. Etc would you like to rephrase this statement? Allira I hope you understand that Israel plus Hamas are fully involved in Gaza? It feels a bit insulting to say otherwise?

By the way, I agree that what is happening in Gaza is perpetrated by the Israeli government and not by Jews in general. In the same way all Muslims are not responsible for the actions of one person who happens to have been Muslim.

TerriBull

Well I was under the impression marches were orchestrated for weekends, yesterday's appeared to be impromptu for the purposes of a group gloat Quite appalling

Yes, it sounds more like triumphant gloating than a protest.

Of course it could have been stopped.

Babs03

I also think the marches were a bad idea yesterday but am not sure how, once people had descended on London already, it could have been called off. These marches are organised weeks before. They were certainly not done to coincide with this awful tragedy.

The protesters could always return home when they realised the evil caused already. Why deliberately rub salt in the wounds of the seriously injured and bereaved?

Oh well best not get too upset about Gaza - after all, Hamas have until Sunday evening to decide whether to live or die there. I hope they choose life but I doubt it. Sadly.

One wonders whether all the Palestinian marches chanting from the river to the sea might feed anti-Semitism.

sunami

I agree with you Allira and I'm not being an apologist. The man is dead, so he can't be punished, but it's natural to try and make sense of it. Something motivated him, but what?

Hatred of all Jews.

Mentally ill?

I heard one protester claim that the marches were organised to protest against the arrest of Greta Thunberg in Israel; only her third attempt to be arrested.

sunami

I agree with you Allira and I'm not being an apologist. The man is dead, so he can't be punished, but it's natural to try and make sense of it. Something motivated him, but what?

He was motivated by a deep and personal hatred of all Jews, regardless of their nationality, their political beliefs or their actions.

He knew nothing about the people he attacked other than that were Jews. So that must have been his motivation.

Lathyrus3

sunami

I agree with you Allira and I'm not being an apologist. The man is dead, so he can't be punished, but it's natural to try and make sense of it. Something motivated him, but what?

He was motivated by a deep and personal hatred of all Jews, regardless of their nationality, their political beliefs or their actions.

He knew nothing about the people he attacked other than that were Jews. So that must have been his motivation.

Where does it say that in the media Lathyrus, I haven’t seen it? The Southport murders have taught me that speculation can be a dangerous thing, so I’d prefer to read it for myself?