Manchester Synagogue Attack

sunami

Oreo

The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide.

Have they caused them or are they a symptom of hatred? There's a difference and you need to be able back up your claim.

Oreo says, The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide but you ask or are they a symptom of hatred?
If a symptom of hatred, as you suggest, then why are they allowed to take place at all, as surely that would be considered to be anti-semitic?

I thought they were protests about the war in Gaza and a plea for it to end.

If, as suggested the protests are a symptom of hatred, then that is anti-semitism, surely?
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The marches certainly have whipped up people's emotions and sadly we begin to see the results.

We do see the results Allira and it’s all one sided.Jews don’t go around shouting obscenities and being violent to the police, attacking anyone or places of worship or making areas of London no go areas for others.

To be horrified about what is going on in Gaza, and what the State of Israel is doing, is not to be antisemetic. Ordinary people, ordinary Jewish people, are not responsible.

Casdon

Lathyrus3

sunami

I agree with you Allira and I'm not being an apologist. The man is dead, so he can't be punished, but it's natural to try and make sense of it. Something motivated him, but what?

He was motivated by a deep and personal hatred of all Jews, regardless of their nationality, their political beliefs or their actions.

He knew nothing about the people he attacked other than that were Jews. So that must have been his motivation.

Where does it say that in the media Lathyrus, I haven’t seen it? The Southport murders have taught me that speculation can be a dangerous thing, so I’d prefer to read it for myself?

I’m not clear what you are implying here.

That he knew something about the Jews he attacked that gave him reason for his actions?

Maybe you think he liked Jews sunami [Hmm]

I’m not implying anything Lathyrus, I was just asking for the source you had obtained your information from, because I hadn’t seen in the media that he was ‘motivated by a deep and personal hatred of all Jews’, that was all?

He knew nothing about the people he attacked other than that were Jews. So that must have been his motivation.

Note the 'must have been his motivation.'
Seems a perfectly reasonable comment to make, as clearly based on speculation.
I am surprised you want a media source; they are frequently speculative.

Well his Hamas supporting father posted in Arabic on social media after the October 7 massacres. He praised the murdering savages apparently, so not too much of a stretch to see how and why ‘Jihad’ (how’s that for a name?) learned to hate Jews.

As I said eazybee I am uneasy about speculation regarding a killer’s motives, the Southport killings backlash was so serious that it has made me question where information comes from.

How is it known that ‘He knew nothing about the people he attacked other than that they were Jews’? I know the media often speculates too, but that doesn’t make it right. I was hoping Lathyrus had seen a statement to the effect of what she pisted that she could share, which I don’t think is unreasonable.

Boz

This madman has history, it seems. Hate emails to politicians who support Israel.

Maybe he is literally psychotic, ie " out of his mind". Possibly a source of shame, hidden by parents instead of treatment. This obviously being investigated at length, as there is a history of terrorist actions taken by people in this situation.

And, btw, this is not and never can be an excuse but is often a reason, like the Magdeburg attack.

LovesBach

To be horrified about what is going on in Gaza, and what the State of Israel is doing, is not to be antisemetic. Ordinary people, ordinary Jewish people, are not responsible.

As I said previously.

"I am surprised you want a media source; they are frequently speculative"

That just isn't good enough, easybee,

to post media which is based on speculation

How can you possibly think its OK?

Allira

sunami

Oreo

The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide.

Have they caused them or are they a symptom of hatred? There's a difference and you need to be able back up your claim.

Oreo says, The marches have caused so much hatred towards Jews world wide but you ask or are they a symptom of hatred?
If a symptom of hatred, as you suggest, then why are they allowed to take place at all, as surely that would be considered to be anti-semitic?

I thought they were protests about the war in Gaza and a plea for it to end.

If, as suggested the protests are a symptom of hatred, then that is anti-semitism, surely?
🤔

The marches certainly have whipped up people's emotions and sadly we begin to see the results.

I haven't suggested anything because I don't know. I was asking questions because I'm looking for clarification.

Oreo

Maybe you think he liked Jews sunami [Hmm]

Pardon? I haven't a clue what you mean. I don't know what was going on inside his head either.

TerriBull

Wyllow3

Is that what the Jewish communities actually want, TerriBull - shouldn't they be consulted first? There may well be disagreements for all kinds of reasons.

I imagine like all of us, they just want to feel safe, and clearly they don't. In the context of interminable persecution directed at them over the centuries, feeling unsafe has much greater resonance than the wider society might experience.

Oreo then agreed with you.

But you both missed my point ... we all agree any viable measures should be taken...

My point was, we don't impose measures on oppressed groups.
we ask them what they want

One might "imagine" a lot, but it might not be wanted, necessarily.

surfsup

Well his Hamas supporting father posted in Arabic on social media after the October 7 massacres. He praised the murdering savages apparently, so not too much of a stretch to see how and why ‘Jihad’ (how’s that for a name?) learned to hate Jews.

The Telegraph is behind a paywall, so I can't read the full quote, but I've seen reports on social media which suggest that what he wrote had been misinterpreted. Does anybody have a first hand source?

Surfsup, what are you talking about?

Wyllow3

Boz

This madman has history, it seems. Hate emails to politicians who support Israel.

Maybe he is literally psychotic, ie " out of his mind". Possibly a source of shame, hidden by parents instead of treatment. This obviously being investigated at length, as there is a history of terrorist actions taken by people in this situation.

And, btw, this is not and never can be an excuse but is often a reason, like the Magdeburg attack.

I wish people would differentiate between reasons and excuses. Unfortunately, they often don't.

surfsup

Well his Hamas supporting father posted in Arabic on social media after the October 7 massacres. He praised the murdering savages apparently, so not too much of a stretch to see how and why ‘Jihad’ (how’s that for a name?) learned to hate Jews.

Jihad is an established first name:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_(name)

GB News is reporting that the assassin was on police bail for an alleged rape.

westendgirl

Surfsup, what are you talking about?

Here is a link which reports what the father is alleged to have posted on Facebook:

nypost.com/2025/10/03/world-news/father-of-manchester-synagogue-terrorist-jihad-al-shamie-praised-hamas-for-oct-7-slaughter/

Allira

LovesBach

To be horrified about what is going on in Gaza, and what the State of Israel is doing, is not to be antisemetic. Ordinary people, ordinary Jewish people, are not responsible.

As I said previously.

As did others- clearly something we all feel strongly, and wish to express.

I should have prefaced my comment with “I believe” or It seems to me”.

I’m afraid I fell into the trap of a previous poster who said it was “blindingly obvious” that his motivation was the actions of the Israeli government/Jews in Gaza. I’m not sure which one she was blaming. Which was only her opinion too.

I felt there was something rather insidious about raising a question on the comment that he knew nothing about the victims except that they were Jews. A kind of implying that he had knowledge of something else that would cause him to attack.

As for the media. I think that’s the last place I would go for any kind of verification of motive.

The speculation about the Southport murders was provoked by the deliberate concealment of the identity of the killer. His motives have never been revealed, at least not by him.
In this case sensibly revealed as soon as known.

to post media which is based on speculation

Don't think I actually said that.
Perhaps you meant 'to write a post...?'
Not really bothered either way.

In this case sensibly revealed as soon as the identity was known.