Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

Quote Maremia Sun 19-Oct-25 09:54:12
Don't accuse so aggressively Oreo. You want us to answer a question? I would like you to kindly answer first, as a courtesy to all on this Thread.

You speak for “all on this thread” ? No you do not

foxie good well thought post.

And yes it is incredibly depressing.

Maremia isn't claiming to speak for all on this thread Annie.

I agree WW, an excellent post foxie.

Israel can't eradicate Hamas Oreo, they've spent 2 years trying to do so and if that was their aim, they have failed.

It maybe a Hamas tactic to deliberately stall on returning the remains of the dead hostages but it maybe because they are faced with having to locate and retrieve them due to the devastation caused by Israel's bombing campaign and this is hindering the return.

What I wonder is Israel's tactic of once again limiting aid, killing a child on the West Bank for throwing a stone and killing a family for crossing 'the yellow line'?

Re Hamas - and it's not clear to me...but I wouldnt be surprised if they do have to "have a place" at negotiating tables. Followed by not automatically taking it as a waste of time if they are.

I'm not that familiar with the Northern Ireland situation - but weren't Sinn Fein there brought to the negotiating table - and the situation there has looked pretty peaceful for years now? I admit to having been surprised myself that that happened - but, as far as I can see = it worked.

Quote Smileless2012 Sun 19-Oct-25 11:01:15
Maremia isn't claiming to speak for all on this thread Annie.

Who are “all on this thread” ? And who are “us” ?

Quote Maremia Sun 19-Oct-25 09:54:12
Don't accuse so aggressively Oreo. You want us to answer a question? I would like you to kindly answer first, as a courtesy to all on this Thread.

as a courtesy to all on this Thread is not claiming to speak for everyone Annie, it's asking for courtesy for all and I would have thought it was obvious that us was in reference to all those taking part in this discussion, because Oreo didn't direct her question to a specific poster.

Quote Smileless2012 Sun 19-Oct-25 11:18:04
as a courtesy to all on this Thread is not claiming to speak for everyone Annie, it's asking for courtesy for all and I would have thought it was obvious that us was in reference to all those taking part in this discussion, because Oreo didn't direct her question to a specific poster.

I don’t agree that Oreo post was discourteous

I didn't say it was Annie I was responding to you suggesting that Maremia was claiming to speak for all on this thread.

Well Anniebach I rarely agree with you but as Voltaire has quoted I will defend your right to say it.

Thank you AGAA4

I’ve just come into this post and I cannot find anything in our main line news about this so called massacre which has been described by partisan parties in the Middle East. Is there anything by a more independent organisation to verify what has happened? I’m not saying it didn’t but I’d just like be satisfied the information is correct. So many atrocious on both sides.

There's nothing in The Washington post but CNN has just reported that Hamas violated the peacefire agreement by firing rockets near Rafah. Hamas has denied this and say they are committed to the peace process. Nothing about a massacre.

There hasn't been a massacre. The US are concerned that an attack by Hamas is imminent which will breach the ceasefire. BBC news website.

Israeli war planes have bombed an area by the Rafah Crossing. They say Hamas have breached the ceasefire. Hamas say Israel have done the same by funding gangs in Gaza.

Israel will carpet bomb Gaza as soon as the,ast hostage is handed over.I said that on here at the start of the bombings and I still believe it to be true,.
Trump said Netanyahu asked for bombs and used them well!,, There is no hope for peace the Israel government don’t want peace,they never have ,they want ALL Palestinians off the land they know as home .
It’s sickening but predictable

25Avalon

I’ve just come into this post and I cannot find anything in our main line news about this so called massacre which has been described by partisan parties in the Middle East. Is there anything by a more independent organisation to verify what has happened? I’m not saying it didn’t but I’d just like be satisfied the information is correct. So many atrocious on both sides.

You might find it useful to look up the American news channel on "YouTube" that is called "Democracy Now". Despite it being a channel from one of the countries well -known to be on one side (and that ain't the Palestinians side) = it is nevertheless objective and well-balanced and that Amy Goodman does seem to know her stuff.

My apologies Annie for making the assumption that you would be against the IDF shooting a family in a bus.
It is, of course, for you to express your thoughts on a family being killed in a bus.

Maremia Sun 19-Oct-25 12:34:43
My apologies Annie for making the assumption that you would be against the IDF shooting a family in a bus.
It is, of course, for you to express your thoughts on a family being killed in a bus.

Thank you, I will comment on anything i choose, always done so

And of course by commenting, you are helping to keep this thread thriving, thank you, so that some of us will be able to continue to express our concern for the people of Gaza, and the injustice and crimes still being committed against them.
For example, an innocent family being executed in that way, simply trying to find somewhere safe
Would hate to see this Thread fade and fall though lack of support.

aremia Sun 19-Oct-25 14:03:11
And of course by commenting, you are helping to keep this thread thriving, thank you, so that some of us will be able to continue to express our concern for the people of Gaza, and the injustice and crimes still being committed against them.
For example, an innocent family being executed in that way, simply trying to find somewhere safe
Would hate to see this Thread fade and fall though lack of support

No fear of lack of support for all announcements made by Hamas

The Guardian has some poignant stories just now about how schoolchildren have been trying to cope during the bombardments and destruction.

This peace is not going to hold is it😢.

Both Hamas and Israel are champing at the bite.

Those poor, poor people.

The children of Gaza have lost their childhood and now Netanyahu has told the IDF to act forcefully so more children will be killed.
He was never going to abide by a peace deal. The IDF have been killing people saying they have been a security threat like the little boy with a stone. It was all a ploy to get the fighting going again.

Possibly not....probably not.....as it isn't exactly peaceful and when people aren't being allowed back into half of Gaza now then = it's not surprising if (when!) it doesn't.

I can't see this being peacefully resolved in my lifetime for sure or another lifetime beyond it.

Meanwhile - I can feel a lot of reading coming on. I've been on the lookout for good objective history books specifically about this - as I certainly know the general gist of this through from the 1940s.

So lined-up on my "to read" shelf now:

- "the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe

and

- "the Hundred years' war on Palestine - a history of settler colonial conquest and resistance" - Rashid Khalidi

That ain't gonna be an easy one for me - as I'm future-oriented. But sometimes one has to know the past to understand the present ....

I had hoped (naively I suppose) that Trump would have control over Netanyahu’s excesses, and his never ending warmongering.

The only people who can possibly stop him are the Israelis I think.