Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

Try Empire podcast as well - 8 or 9 episodes about the history of the region.

What's the Empire podcast WhiteWave?

Maremia

What's the Empire podcast WhiteWave?

I found what I think they are referring to - on YouTube.

A podcast series on various issues.

I think possibly the one meant is "Origins of the Israel-Palestine conflict".

A very quick glance at it and the title probably gives the clue of what side it's coming from......"Origins of the clue clue clue-Palestine conflict". Substitute the words "clue clue clue"....

But there are some very good ones up on YouTube about the Nakba and that explain exactly what happened and why.....for those who've not been eyewitnesses to the murder/land dispossession of the Palestines (or, as in my case, had a father who witnessed it).

Also worth checking out that there are videos on YouTube as well that told me something I didn't know - about why the oppressors don't want to take DNA tests - ie because they disprove the notion that "We're older than you Palestinians are....we personally can trace back a heritage in your country for longer than you can" and then refuse to take the DNA tests that would prove otherwise....as they're trying to trace back 2,000 years - but won't get the evidence (because they know they're wrong).

It’s one of the Goalhanger podcasts.

Its title is Empire and one of its series is about Palestine and the history of the region from about 1450BC to present day.

In the rush to condemn Israel (as always on these threads) there is no attempt to acknowledge that hamas attacked soldiers therefore violating the peace deal, and which they had already violated by murdering a bunch of Gazans in the city square.hamas were killing anyone thought not to be supportive of them or working for the family clans.
The IDF were dismantling tunnel entrances in Gaza City and came under fire so of course they are going to react.
Hamas have everything to lose now with the ceasefire and were always going to try and regain control even if it was just in a limited way.They have no future.

Every announcement by Hamas is accepted as truth and as more wrongdoings by Israel

Of course as you say Oreo the IDF had to react when they came under fire while dismantling tunnel entrances that does not though compare to shooting a 10 year old for throwing a stone and killing a family for going over the 'yellow line'.

Hamas are a ruthless terrorist organisation, the IDF are soldiers and perhaps naively some of us believed they would behave differently.

In a rush to condemn Hamas there is no attempt from some to condemn the IDF for their brutality.

The IDF can do no wrong of course while most of us heartily condemn Hamas. Seeing both sides is more balanced.

There is an extremely interesting documentary on BBC sounds called "A people's history of Gaza", if you don't have the time to listen to the full programme about 3/4 of the way in there is a section on the 2006 election in Palestine, which is well worth listening to. The programme talks to ordinary people in Israel and Gaza about their experiences and covers the period 1948 onwards linked with the history of Gaza.

Thanks foxie. Sounds interesting.

Has there been a "rush to condemn Israel?" Oreo Having read through reports that are currently available, there seems to be some confusion as to which side violated the peace first. If you have completely unbiased information, please share it.

Israel have said they will suspend aid into Gaza as Hamas have breached the peace process. Hamas is blaming Israel.

Well WWM2 I too had hoped Trump could do something to keep the peace process. Big question is what will he do next with both sides seemingly breaking the peace agreement although that was probably only a temporary agreement as a start towards obtaining some kind of workable and peaceful solution.

AGAA4

Israel have said they will suspend aid into Gaza as Hamas have breached the peace process. Hamas is blaming Israel.

This is so tragic but sadly predictable.

I agree Jane.

Hamas will not give up their power and Israel will not give up the need to free Gaza of Hamas

It's just back to the same sad story. Families thinking they are safe.

Netanyahu will keep fanning the flames: if there were a genuinely solid and lasting peace then he'd be in real danger of being handed over to the International Criminal Court.

Who would dob him in?

Trump of course. He owes no loyalty or faith to anyone but himself, he's de-ranged and he would do it out of pure and warped vindictiveness.

To think that man has the password to the nuclear option.

This is on CNN's website regarding the violations of the peace deal. "While much is unknown about the incident in Rafah, it occurred on Sunday morning as Hamas said its internal Rada’a security force was targeting a “hideout” of an Israel-backed militia led by Yasser Abu Shabab. In June, Israel confirmed it was arming several such militias in an attempt to counter Hamas.
Muhammad Shehada, a Gaza expert at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said these militias now operate from within Israeli-occupied areas in Gaza from which they “descend on the other half of Gaza, carry out attacks, then go run back to those protected areas.”
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So, possibly the ones that are of most danger to the ordinary folk are actually the 'gangs' who have been armed by Israel?

CNN is usually a reliable source.

Annie Israel is not fighting to free Gaza of Hamas…they just want the land for themselves and the Palestinian people gone.By whatever means they decide to use against civilians.
THis didn,t start on Oct 7th it started over 70 years ago.
My friend and colleague has been here for well over 30 years as a result of Israeli governments greed for land that isn,t theirs and anyone who has got in their way has been incarcerated or killed and Hes that does include children.You really need to look at facts ..and NOT hark back to the Holocaust which was without a doubt a stain on humankind BUT it wasn,t Palestinians who carried it out .Netanyahu appears to have learned some of his tactics FROM the Nazi,s so shame on him and all who support him .!

Maremia

CNN is usually a reliable source.

I find CNN more balanced than Fox news but tbh it's impossible to know what's going on without proper oversight by foreign journalists. However, Netanyahu has admitted that Israel is funding militia groups in Gaza so it's a definite possibility that Hamas are attacking them and not the IDF but who knows? Netanyahu helped to create Hamas so he's very capable of creating other militia groups as a counter balance. What an absolute mess!

AGAA4

The IDF can do no wrong of course while most of us heartily condemn Hamas. Seeing both sides is more balanced.

Now wondering how to "see both sides" - when one group of people is steadily stealing land from the rightful owners, imprisoning the rightful owners, etc, etc.

Maybe I'm supposed to go off to someone I realised wasn't really a friend of mine when it became clear he was trying to steal from me - and I'd not realised I'm supposed to forgive him and resume what I thought was "friendship"? Hmm......I'll need a while to think that one through. Maybe I shouldn't have done the "instant - cut off within literally 5 minutes" thing I do if I realise theft has happened or is planned to happen.....

Theft at any level = there is no "other side" and it neatly balances out. If they're a thief they are a thief and the same applies at individual level and national level.

One group has declared many times , it will kill all of the other group.