Grooming gangs in London

Perhaps another way of phrasing it is to ask respectfully what do the victims want at this point in time, from a 'legal' process?
Is part of the emerging difficulties that they want/need different things?
And then the really difficult one, who gets to choose/decide?

Thank you for asking those questions Maremia.

Yes, I do think they want/expect different things and I think the people advising them are pushing them to expect different things too. It's quite interesting to read their individual posts on social media and the statements they've made through legal advisors.

I don't know who gets to advise/choose, but somebody has got to do it - and make him/herself very unpopular because he/she won't be able to please everybody. It's such a poisoned chalice, I'm really not sure who would take it on. Moreover, Farage and Dorries are now saying an inquiry wouldn't be appropriate. And people still blame Starmer!

The survivors want different things. They’re different personalities , at different stages of recovery. It’s an investigative inquiry. Some are concerned it needs to look at organised CSA/E involving gangs other than the narrow focus on men of Pakistani Muslim heritage. Others express different views. This is what led to the Jess Phillips demands she go, or stay
I understand the fear of a chair with sw or police background but imo it’s misplaced. Jay has a sw background, did brilliant work on her inquiry

Iam64 I think you've misunderstood what I've been writing. Quite honestly, I'm so fed up of being accused of things I haven't written and the aggression that I give up.

Met Police have just announced that they are now reviewing 9,000 ….. yes, 9,000 grooming gang cases in London alone.

Sadiq Khan has repeatedly said there were none! He is utterly hopeless and should resign.

Primrose53 I am not at all surprised, which in itself is really sad.

Was it the Police who were telling Khan that there were no grooming gangs in London?
How else would any politician know either way?

How anyone, much less a police chief or the mayor of a city could believe their area was free of gangs organising the sexual exploitation of children and adolescents is beyond me. Do these people believe it’s only linked to men of largely Muslim Pakistani heritage in areas of deprivation in northern former mill towns

Grooming, sexual abuse through County Lines has been written about. Many of those networks I believe emanated from London.

If you Google Sadiq Khan Grooming Gangs, there is lots of information going back. I can’t find any evidence to suggest that he has ever denied gangs exist in London, or that action has not been taken against individual gangs. What he has not done is to accede to requests for a London specific inquiry.

Casdon

If you Google Sadiq Khan Grooming Gangs, there is lots of information going back. I can’t find any evidence to suggest that he has ever denied gangs exist in London, or that action has not been taken against individual gangs. What he has not done is to accede to requests for a London specific inquiry.

This video says otherwise Casdon

youtu.be/bek1SNRv6Nk?si=-6CBf0Sz_95k5C9_

Susan Hall asks Khan about grooming gangs in London 9 times and he refuses to give a direct answer.

youtu.be/noJCNh60lfk?si=geiHipvBZer72-5C

Primrose53

Casdon

If you Google Sadiq Khan Grooming Gangs, there is lots of information going back. I can’t find any evidence to suggest that he has ever denied gangs exist in London, or that action has not been taken against individual gangs. What he has not done is to accede to requests for a London specific inquiry.

This video says otherwise Casdon

youtu.be/bek1SNRv6Nk?si=-6CBf0Sz_95k5C9_

Try googling it for yourself Primrose53, I always check stories out before I read them because so often they don’t tell the full story. Not giving a direct answer in one interview does not mean that he has not previously acknowledged the existence of gangs.

January 2025.
www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/keeping-londoners-safe-0

Casdon

January 2025.
www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/keeping-londoners-safe-0

Thank you for adding that link which is just the same as the video link from You Tube where Khan tries to wriggle out of answering Susan Hall’s very direct questions. Just reinforces what I said. 👏

He acknowledges the existence of gangs very clearly, read his actual words Primrose53. Susan Hall is trying to make political capital from distorting his words.

Casdon he acknowledges gangs operating county lines but apparently doesn't understand what rape gangs are. Is he really unaware of the rape gangs that operated in Rotherham etc? No he wanted her to mention Muslim and Pakistani origin so he could accuse her of racism, and that's exactly what caused the cover ups in the first place. He is a disgrace to the position. On social media he posts his self-congratulating posts but turns off replies because he mustn't be challenged.

June 2025
www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/crime-london-supplementary-1

The whole of this thread contains so much views on the subject, so many queries, so much heartfelt feeling an this an wider indues,

yet its clear a small group of GNs are determined to boil it down to an attack on Khan despite reading the width of what he has said

For the nth time, it's so clear there this small group are determined to push the same old rhetoric of the far right.

Even Maggie Oliver's organisation, as I have clearly posted before, now sees the problems of abuse in a far wider light

Listen, there are going to be adequately specific enquiries, I suggest we wait for the outcome.

I expect, as people have alluded to on this long thread, there will be people who have experienced religious abuse, the huge numbers of domestic grooming, grooming in our community as a whole. abuse in other big organisations are waiting to see the results with interest.
And its good that will we see those hiding perpetrators as far as possible uted.

But I personally feel your specific attacks hold a degree of Islamophobia.

Over the years there have been so many leaders and ordinary people of the Islam faith also calling out what happened. Equally shocked by what some of their men have done.

Goodness, it was a Muslim in the first place who started specific prosecutions - Nazir Afzal
At the time he said

"One of his first decisions on becoming a chief crown prosecutor was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale child sex abuse ring, overturning an earlier decision by the CPS. He suggested that "white professionals' over-sensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled".[3] He said "I do feel that there's a deficit of leadership in some parts of the Muslim community. They could be much more challenging of certain behaviours"

(wiki)

and he was attacked by the far right, just read this!

" Despite his actions being the catalyst for the successful prosecution of the Rochdale child sex abuse ring,

he was targeted by the English Defence League and door-stepped by Nick Griffin, causing him to need police protection

Regarding far-right campaigns to deport Afzal, he reiterated "I was born in Birmingham. They can deport me to Birmingham if they want to", and said "I think if you are getting it from both sides, you are probably getting something right"

needless to say, the emoji appeared accidentally!

No he wanted her to mention Muslim and Pakistani origin so he could accuse her of racism, and that's exactly what caused the cover ups in the first place.

If true, the very opposite of justice[assuming carried out in a fair way].

Nazir Afzal has been interviewed on various news programmes this week. I’ve never heard him say anything on the subject of organised and sexual abuse in families, that hasn’t been compassionate, insightful and determined to support forensic investigations leading to successful prosecutions.

There are a number of comments on this subject that seek to smear the Labour Party, Jess Phillips, areas where Labour has MPs and councillors who have Muslim Pakistani heritage. This subject is too important to use it as a political football

Again link people to the far right if you wish, like the last safeguarding issue where we were all far right bigots that will have absolutely no impact on me and I suspect no impact on the many women raising concerns.

I have never, ever, ever thought of you as a fat right bigot, Galaxy. Very, very strong as I believe I am on Women's Issues, both with good reason.

But we cannot avoid the fact that the "latching on" of the far right to this specific cause started with Elon Musk's intervention, and the seizing on it by the far right and pushed hard by GB news has happened, even to the extent as I write above that they attacked Nazir Afzal

The victims are being used in my opinion as a political football when this occurs.

Yes GB news were one of the first channels who gave a voice to feminists on the gender issue. I don't see them as the bad guys.
The victims are also being used as a political football by those who don't have the bravery to address the issue. I am grateful for gb news for many things, so are quite a few feminists who would have at one time called themselves left. It is a funny world these days.