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What Trump is up to when he’s not trying to be world peacemaker..

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MayBee70 Thu 23-Oct-25 13:59:15

“A landmark deal to cut global shipping emissions has been abandoned after Saudi Arabia and the US succeeded in ending the talks.
More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But US President Donald Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they voted in favour of it.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio declared the outcome a "huge win" for Trump.
But reflecting the pressure countries faced, the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organisation Arsenio Dominguez issued a "plea" for this not to be repeated.
In a dramatic conclusion on Friday, when countries should have been voting to approve the deal, Saudi Arabia tabled a motion to adjourn the talks for a year.
The chairman said this would mean that the agreement was not approved, as key timelines for the treaty would have to be revised.
The motion passed by just a handful of votes.
Hon. Ralph Regenvanu, Minister for Climate Change for the Republic of Vanuatu, said Saudi Arabia's motion was "unacceptable given the urgency we face in light of accelerating climate change".
"We came to London in reluctant support of the IMO's Net-Zero Framework. While it lacks the ambition that climate science demands, it does mark a significant step," he said.
The shipping industry has been broadly supportive of the deal because it offered consistent global standards.
Speaking after the talks ended, Thomas Kazakos, secretary-general of the industry body the International Chamber of Shipping, said : "We are disappointed that member states have not been able to agree a way forward at this meeting."
"Industry needs clarity to be able to make the investments," he added.
The UK and most EU nations voted to continue the talks, but some countries including Greece went against the EU bloc and voted to abstain.
The countries that voted in favour of adjourning the talks included Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US, who raised concerns that the deal would lead to price rises for consumers.
Some key countries including China that had initially voted to support the deal in April agreed to delay proceedings.
Island states Bahamas also changed their position and Antigua and Barbuda, who agreed in April, abstained. A delegate from the island states group told the BBC that these nations particularly rely on the US for trade and had been leaned on heavily by the Trump administration to change their position.
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The deal was first agreed in April after ten years of negotiations and was considered historic as it meant shipping was set to become the first industry in the world with internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
The agreement had meant that from 2028 ship owners would have to use increasingly cleaner fuels or face fines.
Shipping currently makes up 3% of global emissions, with levels increasing in line with global trade rises – 90% of goods are currently transported via the sea. Unlike other sectors shipping has been unable to reduce its emissions, in part due to the lack of cost incentive.
"There is no fuel as cheap as diesel that ships use today because when we take crude oil out of the ground, we take out all the nice bits, that's the kerosene for aviation, diesel and petrol for cars," Faig Abbasov, programme director for maritime transport at think tank Transport and Environment, told the BBC during the last IMO negotiations.
This means without intervention the International Maritime Organisation , externalpreviously estimated that by 2050 emissions could grow by between 10% and 150%.
The meeting this week in London between nations had been to make the final approval and finalise the next steps. But since April the US has been increasingly vocal about its objections to the plan which they are concerned could raise prices for goods for its consumers.
Posting on Truth Social on Thursday night President Trump wrote: "The United States will NOT stand for this Global Green New Scam Tax on Shipping. We will not tolerate increased prices on American Consumers."
With talks now delayed the carefully planned timeline to get the regulations in place for 2028 does not appear feasible.
"A delay in action may require changes to the text of agreement that undermine the planned timeline, and could revert years of work to date," said Blánaid Sheeran, an observer to the talks and policy officer at environmental NGO Opportunity Green.
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I think people need to remember the amount of chaos and destruction this man is creating both in his own country and abroad…angry

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:10:31

Apparently, the original plan was to seat something like 600 people, but the building plans were enlarged to accommodate 1000, in order that an inauguration can be staged in the event of inclement weather. Bullet proof windows have been added.

No way is he building this for another president!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:40:46

Trump has taken out yet another ship sailing in international waters.

He is totally out of control.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:41:53

There is a precedent, POTUS Nixon converted the swimming pool into a press briefing room then excavated beneath to construct a bowling alley.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 14:45:29

😀 have you seen the plans - honestly - the integrity of the building will be totally ruined.

Newatthis Fri 24-Oct-25 14:50:57

Another thought - how many immigrant workers are building the new ballroom given that most of the hard graft in the USA is done by immigrant workers? Will he get ICE in when the ballroom is complete to deport all of them? I expect hgis rules on this don't apply when they are 'serving' him.

Casdon Fri 24-Oct-25 14:57:49

I did a bit of literature digging. This is such a very different story to the construction of the original swimming pool, which was built on a terrace between two wings so didn’t affect the integrity of the external structure of the White House. The public raised money for it to be built for Franklin D Roosevelt because he suffered from poliomyelitis. How times have changed.

MaizieD Fri 24-Oct-25 15:00:40

There have been several alterations over the years to the 18th C White House but nothing quite so out of keeping with its neoclassical architecture.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/5567233-white-house-renovations-timeline/

mokryna Fri 24-Oct-25 15:03:56

imaround

Steve Bannon has said they have a plan for a 3rd term. I hope he goes to the light before then. We would still be in this mess, but at least it would be with a different a-hole.

He is not allowed to tear down the White House. He can make changes, but it has to go through a process with the Historical Committee. This monstrosity would not have been allowed.

Didn’t T say to the American people that if they voted for him, they wouldn’t have to vote any more.

petra Fri 24-Oct-25 15:05:19

I didn’t see any objections when he paved over the Rose Garden.
The White House didn’t always have a West Wing.
The White House didn’t always have an Oval Office.

MayBee70 Fri 24-Oct-25 15:15:50

petra

I didn’t see any objections when he paved over the Rose Garden.
The White House didn’t always have a West Wing.
The White House didn’t always have an Oval Office.

What he did to the rose garden just about sums up what he thinks about the environment. Even synthetic grass could have been changed back to real grass in the future.

imaround Fri 24-Oct-25 15:55:35

petra

I didn’t see any objections when he paved over the Rose Garden.
The White House didn’t always have a West Wing.
The White House didn’t always have an Oval Office.

Then you weren't looking very hard. We were mad during his first term when Melania started digging up Jackie's rose garden.

You don't seem to understand, it isn't about what it had or didn't have in the past. The problem is that he did it without any oversight at all. That is not his house. That is our house.

It is also a problem because people are without jobs, about to lose houses, have no health coverage because they can no longer afford it, and can't feed their children. This ballroom may very well be his "let them eat cake" style moment. I know I am starting to see memes of his face over Marie Antoinette's body.

dotpocka Fri 24-Oct-25 19:30:09

looks like a tomb....if only

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Oct-25 20:19:32

So he is now deploying an aircraft carrier to the Caribbean and throwing his weight around, threatening Venezuela.

What a menace he is.

imaround Fri 24-Oct-25 21:12:26

He said that he is not going to notify, nor ask Congress, which is required by law, for a declaration of war against the cartels. Nope, he is going to kill them and they will be, like dead.

He has already killed multiple people in the Caribbean and has not shown a lick of proof they were running drugs.

And he cut Canada off. Again. confused

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Oct-25 02:15:35

No burden of proof for Trump then!

What is stopping him from taking a pot shot at anyone else he doesn’t fancy?

How about Putin? - or perhaps Trump as a big bully doesn’t fancy taking on another bully?

Laws were introduced after WW2 to stop over-mighty countries pushing smaller countries around. The breakdown of this agreement is very dangerous.

David49 Sat 25-Oct-25 07:27:25

The US has been pushing smaller countries around for decades thats nothing new, those that can’t hit back. He has to do something with his Navy he can’t use them against Russia, Korea or China because they can hit back, so sorting out the drug supplying countries is the best he can do.

Maduro has been causing chaos for far too long he needs to go

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Oct-25 07:35:18

Taking pot shots and killing all souls without trial or evidence is not the legal way to proceed.

Maremia Sat 25-Oct-25 07:38:38

It's not up to Trump to decide who needs to go.

David49 Sat 25-Oct-25 07:44:11

Maremia

It's not up to Trump to decide who needs to go.

So you think Maduro is the good guy

MaizieD Sat 25-Oct-25 08:03:10

David49

Maremia

It's not up to Trump to decide who needs to go.

So you think Maduro is the good guy

This is appalling, David. The US has no right whatsoever to interfere with the government of another country*.

You’re correct, it’s done it for decades, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

David49 Sat 25-Oct-25 08:20:04

MaizieD

David49

Maremia

It's not up to Trump to decide who needs to go.

So you think Maduro is the good guy

This is appalling, David. The US has no right whatsoever to interfere with the government of another country*.

You’re correct, it’s done it for decades, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

You also think Maduro us the good guy

foxie48 Sat 25-Oct-25 08:22:04

Seems like he's forgotten about trying to win the Nobel peace prize. Perhaps he'll try to take it by force!
David no one has to be a supporter of Maduro to disapprove of Trump's completely lawless behaviour. Interesting to wonder though what additional powers might be available to Trump should the US be "at war" with a foreign power. Might those powers be used in the US against those Trump consider his enemies? Could he use those powers to cancel elections etc? There's a reason he's doing this and it's nothing to do with drugs/ fentanyl because Venezuela isn't at the heart of America's drug problems.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Oct-25 08:31:15

Yes I guess his peace prize has faded into the distance😀. Not that anyone could ever take that seriously.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 25-Oct-25 08:33:48

David - this is international politics, involving the lives of ordinary citizen, and posters are debating the matters .
Please refrain from using the language of eight year - olds.
No one referred to Mr Maduro as " the good guy", nor Mr Trump as " the bad guy".
Disregarding every rule of international relations is not a computer game

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Oct-25 08:40:14

It would have to be pretty big to qualify cancelled elections I would have thought. When are the mid-terms?