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Rachel Reeves let out house unlawfully

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Primrose53 Wed 29-Oct-25 21:05:05

www.thesun.co.uk/news/37163749/rachel-reeves-cabinet-unlicensed-rental-unlawful/

This deserves a thread of its own.

Funny how she and Angela Rayner both make these “minor mistakes”.

Witzend Thu 30-Oct-25 09:07:39

Is anybody honestly surprised?

Smileless2012 Thu 30-Oct-25 09:11:30

hmm well if I'd seen that in my paper work I'd have checked with the letting agent that I didn't need a licence, because I thought licences only applied to HMO's.

MaizieD Thu 30-Oct-25 09:12:13

DaisyAnneReturns

Apparently, the letting agents had a line in there paperwork which said "if you need a licence, we will advise you".

That’s very peculiar phrasing. What does it mean?

Does it mean that they’ll tell you if you need a licence if you should happen to ask?

Or is it just a badly constructed way of saying ‘we will tell you if you need a licence’?

Regrettably I think it’s such an obscure sentence that it proves nothing either way.

For once I agree with Oreo. This isn’t worth bothering about. The Budget is going to do for her…

Visgir1 Thu 30-Oct-25 09:13:47

Ohh dear... But the agent she entrusted the letting to, should have put everything in place. I doubt they are doing it for free?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Oct-25 09:16:05

I agree with posters who say that the budget will (should) be the end of RR.

If Labour hadn’t harped on ad infinitum about how aboveboard they were during the run up to the election this wouldn’t have been splashed all over the media…

Maremia Thu 30-Oct-25 09:19:46

Well, it has to be said, they are more 'aboveboard' than some other political parties.
Although the bar has been low.

Witzend Thu 30-Oct-25 09:21:11

Rachel Reeves aside, my peeve is that IMO all landlords should be required to register, and to adhere to set standards. For one thing, a register would make it a lot easier to check which LLs are failing to declare their rental income, which I’m sure is rife. And it’d be easier to take action against those who fail to maintain their properties.

I say this as a LL myself.

Maremia Thu 30-Oct-25 09:22:04

Fair point

NotSpaghetti Thu 30-Oct-25 09:29:19

Smileless2012 the licence is to do with the actual location of the property. Everyone in this (small) area.
It's not only HMOs in some places - by locality.

But I also heard more than once on the news today (as others ipthread have said) that her letting agent had a clause saying they would inform you if you required a licence.

I would see no reason to ask out-of-the-ordinary questions of my council if my local letting agent said they'd tell me.

NotSpaghetti Thu 30-Oct-25 09:30:16

Witzend totally agree.
Having a register would be good all round.

Smileless2012 Thu 30-Oct-25 09:32:44

I wouldn't have asked my council NotSpaghetti. I'd have checked with the letting agent that I didn't need a licence because it wouldn't have occurred to me that unless I was letting out an HMO, I might need one.

As a former residential landlord, I agree Witzend.

M0nica Thu 30-Oct-25 09:33:58

What bothers me about both Reeves and Rayner, and their housing , is not that I believe either of them had any intention of deception or skullduggery. I think both acted with intended integrity.

What really bothers me is that in both cases these errors occurred because they were both slapdash and careless in not checking, and checking again, to make sure that, in an area, property transactions, that is such a hot potato if it goes even mildly wrong. They should have got some independent expert to check and then asked another.

I feel this reflects on the whole way the current administration, and this is not a party political point, governs. They are slapdash and careless. So many of the mistakes they make, like the two I have highlighted in another thread have happened because people were just careless, couldn;t be bothered to read documents properly, take on board what other people have said.

In their single minded determination to get things done, they cut corners, ignore anything that contradicts what they want to believe - and as a result they fall into traps like that Rayner and Reeves have fallen into personally and other policies have fallen into more generally.

NotSpaghetti Thu 30-Oct-25 09:36:10

Exactly Smileless2012 It wouldn't have occurred to me either unless it was going to be an HMO.

Lathyrus3 Thu 30-Oct-25 09:36:30

Yes, it’s the slapdash that bothers me too.

Sago Thu 30-Oct-25 09:40:22

I looked at Southwark councils website for landlords.
A licence is needed not just for HMO’s but general lets, this is a good move.

The bad news for RR is the tenants can claim their rent back if they have been living in an unlicensed property.

Poor Rachel.

Allira Thu 30-Oct-25 09:57:57

In her defence, some Councils are introducing new rules arbitrarily and members of the public are getting caught out and having to pay on-the-spot fines for nothing in particular.

If Ms Reeves used an agent, they should know the correct rules and procedures and advise her accordingly.

Nik1ta Thu 30-Oct-25 10:01:30

Even worse news for poor Rachel is that she and her letting agents now face substantial fines. I wonder if labour Southwark Council will decide to prosecute 🤔. Lawmakers can’t be lawbreakers as someone once said. Hmmm… wasn’t that Sir Keir? Oh well we all make mistakes.

Boz Thu 30-Oct-25 10:12:49

Have you noticed how RR's hairstyle is getting wilder. Where is the efficient work bob that says control? Has she given up the ghost knowing herself and Labour on the slippery slopes to oblivion.
Word of advice to her. Quit now. Walk away into a nice job outside politics and let another poor MOP take the flak for what is coming to this Government.

vegansrock Thu 30-Oct-25 10:17:14

Those who claimed they would thoroughly check it probably do not have a full on job which requires you to outsource a lot of your life admin. She used an agent who no doubt charge a fee for their services.

OldFrill Thu 30-Oct-25 10:25:26

NotSpaghetti

Witzend totally agree.
Having a register would be good all round.

The Renters' Rights Act 2025 makes provision for a Landlord Register, however the framework has yet to be decided/announced

fancythat Thu 30-Oct-25 10:25:52

vegansrock

Those who claimed they would thoroughly check it probably do not have a full on job which requires you to outsource a lot of your life admin. She used an agent who no doubt charge a fee for their services.

A life admin agent?

theworriedwell Thu 30-Oct-25 10:26:54

Sago

I can’t believe that I’m going to defend the woman but to be fair the letting agent should have informed her.

Also they she should have made sure the license was in place before the rental agreement was signed.

Exactly. You pay an agent to sort these things out.

fancythat Thu 30-Oct-25 10:28:12

So many of the mistakes they make, like the two I have highlighted in another thread have happened because people were just careless, couldn;t be bothered to read documents properly, take on board what other people have said

As I understand things, if they were to do that with HMRC, they dont have much of a leg to stand on.

vegansrock Thu 30-Oct-25 10:32:28

She and her DH outsourced this a letting agent which takes a hefty whack for taking care of everything. I hope everyone who is horrified by this and want her head on a plate were equally horrified by Johnson's numerous shennanigans which led 2 ethical advisers to resign.

fancythat Thu 30-Oct-25 10:38:09

This from the Daily Mail this morning[I shall ignore groans]

"However, despite enthusiastically backing landlord licences herself only this month, previous cases going to court and local Labour politicians vowing to hold landlords to 'account' on the rules, Sir Keir has said the matter is closed."

Hmm. Cant see how she can stay now.