The BBC. Bias is one thing. Lies and manipulation of facts entirely different.

This is about more than Trump ronib

Oreo

The Telegraph seems to be the ooh look a squirrel on this thread.A newspaper isn’t comparable to the BBC.It isn’t the fault of the right wing it’s the fault of people working for the BBC in senior positions.

The Telegraph is a key player in this incident. Perhaps you have forgotten that it was they who ran the initial story. Of course its own integrity needs scrutiny. Running a shock horror story about another media company’s supposed lack of integrity just begs for investigation of its own relationship with the truth.

Surely Michael Prescott is the key player in this story? He wrote the 19 page report. He is a government advisor. He has also raised issues surrounding Israel and trans issues.
My understanding is that this information was then leaked to the Telegraph as it had clearly been stuffed under the carpet so that was the only way to get the report out into the public domain. It wasn’t forensic Telegraph work.

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to not shoot the messenger

GrannyGravy13

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to ^not shoot the messenger^

Do you honestly believe that The Telegraph has been a disinterested and honourable messenger in this instance?

Mamie

GrannyGravy13

I think The Telegraph is the messenger in this instance, and haven’t we always been told to ^not shoot the messenger^

Do you honestly believe that The Telegraph has been a disinterested and honourable messenger in this instance?

They are printing what the whistle blower has given them.

Are they honourable? As honourable as any newspaper or media outlet in the 21st century. They are probably hoping to boost their readership.

The bottom line is that the BBC has been found less than truthful in its reporting and broadcasting, this should be in the public domain.

I hope that the BBC can get its house in order, and continue to be the state broadcaster.

Are people saying newspapers shouldn't print this because that sounds completely authoritarian to me.

If it was ok for The Guardian to publish their investigative journalists pieces which uncovered the phone hacking scandal, then it should ok for other newspapers/media outlets to report on any wrongdoings they have information on…

MaizieD

Oreo

The Telegraph seems to be the ooh look a squirrel on this thread.A newspaper isn’t comparable to the BBC.It isn’t the fault of the right wing it’s the fault of people working for the BBC in senior positions.

The Telegraph is a key player in this incident. Perhaps you have forgotten that it was they who ran the initial story. Of course its own integrity needs scrutiny. Running a shock horror story about another media company’s supposed lack of integrity just begs for investigation of its own relationship with the truth.

So what it if it was them that ran the story? The story was a true one, you would shoot the messenger?
I would guess that many newspapers have run stories and comments that later turn out not to be true as headlines sell papers, but in this BBC story where the two most senior people have resigned we see that it was a story worth the reporting.

I still can't figure out who actually owns The Telegraph.

Galaxy

Are people saying newspapers shouldn't print this because that sounds completely authoritarian to me.

It sounds to me like posters only want stories to be run by newspapers they approve of or not at all if it involves the BBC .

Maremia

I still can't figure out who actually owns The Telegraph.

At the moment it is the process of being purchased by an American consortium and Abu Dhabi. The American consortium was brought in after U.K. objections to a foreign state owning a U.K. paper.

MaizieD the bottom line is that the BBC has now acknowledged that they have mislead their viewers due to the whistle blower and The Telegraph.

They could still be sitting on their hands and hoping not to be found out.

I do not want to see the BBC defunded, I hope that they can regain their integrity and the trust of Licence payers.

More to the point which interest group has taken over the BBC?

So, not British interests then.
Thanks.
And we should put our trust in a newspaper controlled from the USA and Abu Dhabi.
Not the best plan ever.
Especially a newspaper which has had to apologise so frequently for 'getting it wrong', or as other folk say telling lies.

If The Guardian had reported this, would there have been so much angst 🤷‍♀️

I think that will happen GG, because we can hold them to account
Could we ever hold The Telegraph to account?

Maremia

So, not British interests then.
Thanks.
And we should put our trust in a newspaper controlled from the USA and Abu Dhabi.
Not the best plan ever.
Especially a newspaper which has had to apologise so frequently for 'getting it wrong', or as other folk say telling lies.

So you think this should have gone unreported the whistleblower ignored, and the BBC carrying on against its Charter?

If this story had turned out to be untrue, bash The Telegraph by all means.

It hasn’t though, so save the outrage for those at the Beeb who have brought it into disrepute.

Does The Guardian take stories from a Truth-slayer like Johnson?

If the telegraph hadn't done it, someone else would have, my social media is full of women talking about their terrible experiences with the BBC, that whistleblower has helped to amplify their voices.

gg13 it was reported - in May.

Thing is though, they used Trumps own words. Is it a bit like the outrage when Charlie Kirk's own words were used against him?

Maremia

Does The Guardian take stories from a Truth-slayer like Johnson?

I do not have an allegiance to any newspaper.

I will say again, then I am off out, the outrage appears to be directed at the messenger who has printed what it was given by a whistleblower .

This is the exact same scenario as The Guardian and the phone hacking scandal.

I couldn’t give a flying pig if the whistleblower had taken his story to the Beano.

In this instance, I am interested in the story. I am not clouded by any dislike of the newspaper it appeared in.

Do you mean the high profile people like Campbell who had to retract and apologise with regard to what they claimed kirk had said.