The BBC. Bias is one thing. Lies and manipulation of facts entirely different.

Wyllow3

I don't think there is anything wrong with you, Galaxy I accept you have very strong views and it will always be so and will give you a strong POV on many subjects in N and P?

And you don’t have strong views?

"They doctored my very good, perfect speech" said Trump.
Deluded man but wrong of the BBC to mess up his 'perfect speech'.

The BBC have got themselves into a mess with Tim Davie taking on the whole responsibility with no deputy.
I agree that some serious mistakes have been made and not dealt with.
The gender issue did annoy me but I'm dubious about bias in other reporting.
This is an opportunity to scrutinise all news outlets as there is undoubtedly bias and doctoring going on elsewhere.

Has anyone watched the speech in its entirety?

If so how can you not be angry at our national broadcaster?

Oreo

Wyllow3

I don't think there is anything wrong with you, Galaxy I accept you have very strong views and it will always be so and will give you a strong POV on many subjects in N and P?

And you don’t have strong views?

I have strong views as you do, yes.

The context was Galaxy herself said that one area of particular issue does affect how she sees all matters and I accept that totally, its her right.

GG pleeeese, don't ask us to listen to him!
I can no longer listen to his baby, whiny, incoherent ramblings.
I just have to rely on reports of them.

Me too. Its fear, partly: the thought that one of the most powerful man in the world can lie, and lie, and how his policies are now impacting on the very poor, a bizarre feeling of "Alice through the looking glass' where nothing it what is seems....

currently I dont know if people realise, but he is in negotiation with our government about drug prices, and it may put 10% on many of our regular meds, costing the NHS an unbelievable amount
Its one of those deals that would disadvantage us strongly if we don't take it in other areas, Hobsons choice.

What I have taken from this incident at the BBC is that because it is expected to be impartial when it is proved not to be, heads roll! Not minor heads, those at the very top have paid the price and that is what I expected to happen. I value the BBC news and when it falls short I expect it to be taken to task very publicly and it has been. I don't expect this to happen with other news media because I don't expect it to be impartial, which it clearly is not. If you take the time to compare the headlines in a number of different media, it's obvious that there is bias in most news reporting.

Wyllow3

Me too. Its fear, partly: the thought that one of the most powerful man in the world can lie, and lie, and how his policies are now impacting on the very poor, a bizarre feeling of "Alice through the looking glass' where nothing it what is seems....

currently I dont know if people realise, but he is in negotiation with our government about drug prices, and it may put 10% on many of our regular meds, costing the NHS an unbelievable amount
Its one of those deals that would disadvantage us strongly if we don't take it in other areas, Hobsons choice.

Trump puts his own people first. He’s on record saying they’ve been ripped off for years. I actually admire him for it. It shows strength.

It’s up to other countries to ‘do a deal’ with him if possible. If not, sorry for us paying the full price.

Oreo

Grantanow

I worry more about stories in some of the daily newspapers than I do about the BBC. It looks a bit like a Tory press campaign against the Beeb and that's nothing new. The BBC Charter is coming up for renewal and the anti-Beeb action usually starts ahead of that. Whatever it's faults the BBC is worth cherishing (along with the rather marginal Channel 4 News).

Are you serious?
Why don’t you google this matter and you’ll see what comes up about it!
It’s nothing to do with the Tories.

I noticed the Buffoon was quick to weigh in. Isn't he a Tory any more?

The BBC should not be deprived of public support for limited errors, however high profile and trumpeted by the Right Wing press. If the BBC were forced to depend on voluntary subscription it would have to put on endless game shows and other trivia to survive. Most of the orchestras would vanish. John Reid developed it to educate and inform: that needs to be preserved.

Trump absolutely puts his own Family first.
How much have they made since he came to power?

I think we must be due a new Trump thread. He morphs into most others on here.

Maybe the BBC could split radio from tv.
Radio 3 for aficionados etc.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I think we must be due a new Trump thread. He morphs into most others on here.

You could hardly accuse this thread of morphing into a Trump thread, FGT. Its actual subject focusses on a documentary about him.

But do start another thread explaining how throwing thousands of people out of work, stoking racism and impoverishing millions by raising the cost of living by way of his ridiculous (and probably illegally imposed) tariffs 'puts his own people first'.

Trump puts his own people first

Who are these own people please?

I've been tuned into BBC news for an hour, dealing with it head on. Reporting themselves and doing it by bringing in a "round the table" group of people and recorded interviews from others.

The Conservative Party representative made it absolutely clear they want to keep The BBC TV and Radio, it's a matter of getting the right lead and a good examination of any bias,

But in his opinion it is a most valued British Institution.

It's coming from the Farage and the far right about abolishing the BBC.

Its is not a universal call, in anyway at all.

Bear in mind that we have just had a number of points made by right wing critics

But there are also equally strings of complaints as regards right wing bias, or matters not adequately covered, from the Left

Its just not likely that the Telegraph will report them

I was going to add my feelings about the editing of Trump's speech, but this thread has, as so many do, into point scoring between GNetters. What is the point of that?

Retroladywriting if people like you don't contribute then nothing will change. Your views matter as much as any one else, just go ahead and post your comments, ignoring what you see as "point scoring".

Retroladywriting

I was going to add my feelings about the editing of Trump's speech, but this thread has, as so many do, into point scoring between GNetters. What is the point of that?

Your points will count just as much as anyone else’s, whichever side you’re on.
Go for it.

Seems the left think the BBC show too much right wing bias and the right think the BBC show too much left wing bias, each group proclaiming that only they are correct.

The problem is that the BBC by giving its reporters and presenters too much leeway has made itself a target for every side:
too left wing? - the infatuation with Farage;
too right wing? - the promotion of trans activism.

Reform would lose a lot of publicity without the BBC. A representative of Reforn is on Laura K or Question Time nearly every week.

Perhaps because more people voted for Reform than the LibDems or Greens.

StripeyGran

*Trump puts his own people first*

Who are these own people please?

Billionaire donors to him.

Retroladywriting

I was going to add my feelings about the editing of Trump's speech, but this thread has, as so many do, into point scoring between GNetters. What is the point of that?

I think all has been said by now.

If you condemn the BBC, for fake news, then logically, you must also condemn Trump, bigly.

No we don't. The concern is about the BBC not remaining impartial, which is against their charter. It is also funded out of public money via the licence fee.
We have no control over Trump; he is not our responsibility.
The BBC is.