Trump and Putin negotiating War in Ukraine without Zelensky?

Has anyone asked? Smileless2012

I think we'd know if anyone had ronib.

Recent research surveys suggest that Ukrainians want an end to the war I believe.

ronib

Recent research surveys suggest that Ukrainians want an end to the war I believe.

Of course they do. They want their own country back, as we all would if we had been invaded by a hostile force.

I'm sure they do ronib but probably not along the same lines as Putin's wish list.

It's a disgrace who ever said it was giving Russia their wish list is correct. Trump is an absolute disgrace and I await his eventual down fall, that is unless he changes another law that says he is in the White House for life,.I would not put it past him. How can American people not feel ashamed of him? They should not turn up for any meeting he has and perhaps he might take note. I won't be visiting whilst he is in, much too volatile.
The bravery of Ukraine and the conduct of Zelenski is the opposite of Trump. My heart goes out to them.

Of course Ukrainians want peace. They have been bombed, they are living without heating in many places, they've lost their sons, their children have been stolen and taken to Russia. Of course they want peace. Some will want peace at any price but most won't. They're just like any other population of people, there will be differences of opinion and willingness to suffer, but if Putin is allowed to win this war, most Ukrainians understand that he'll be back for more in the future once he's rearmed and got his economy on a better footing.

Of course the Ukrainians want peace, for the reasons set out by other posters that don’t need repeating here.
I heard on the news yesterday that translators confirmed Trump’s proposals were directly translated from Russian

Peace at the instruction of two bullying, unethical despots? European leaders must stand with Ukraine.

I don’t know - Iam64 . Continued killing at the behest of politicians, world leaders?
It seems so shamefully primitive as a method to resolve conflict. Positively Neanderthal?

Continued killing at the behest of politicians, world leaders? and those world leaders are Putin and Trump with Putin continuing to kill despite this so called 'peace plan'.

Absolutely 'unnecessary' ronib there was no reason for Putin to invade.
Peace would come about immediately, if he stopped bombing and withdrew his troops.

Ronib you should go to see Bugmania, it's horribly violent at times but I think you might appreciate the underlying message, which is that we are an uncivilised society that is incapable of learning from it's mistakes and taking the necessary steps to avoid catastrophe. Well that's what I took away from it!

Bugmania?

The US senate has said that Marco Rubio's assertion the the plan was authored by the US is 'blatantly false'.

There's hopefully some progress made by the Europeans and Trump as usual has had to step back from his bullying deadline.

Russia is still bombing Ukraine and I don't believe Putin wants peace. He may welcome a respite to strengthen his army but his aim is to have all of Ukraine and beyond.

What I find most worrying about the Putin peace plan is the fact that Ukraine’s sovereignty is being stripped.

That cannot be allowed to happen.

Movie currently doing the rounds with a bald Emma Stone starring.Ronib

Doesn’t appeal foxie48. Best work on my positivity!!

BBC saying that Ukraine has agreed the peace deal!!!!

No they aren't!

Sky reporting the US media saying that Ukraine has agreed the plan.

If this peace is agreed imo we are closer to war than we were during the Cold War.

I find it incredibly worrying.

It seems very unlikely that Putin will accept this modified version of the plan. Apparently it is the bits in square brackets that matter.

If Ukraine have agreed a plan it won't be agreed by Russia.
Russia will only agree if all their terms are met which means all the original terms.

Maybe that's their double bluff? They agree, becacause Putin won't?

Sorry, typo!!!