2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

Wyllow3

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

Absolutely, this from the start seemed to me clearly to be the intention of this thread.

Accusing posters of being racist, holding a hate fest and posting bile is trying to use deflection to shut down discussion of very real problems which are concerning a lot of the public.

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

These people should not be allowed into our country in the first place if they can't come here by legal means,,,and have documentation, but to be allowed in and then treat our people
like trash, is unforgivable. This is not a hate thread, it's anger at what's being allowed to hapen to our country.

TerriBull

I don't get the anger about the finger being pointed at foreign abusers, here courtesy of the tax payer, as opposed to a British sexual abusers and criminals. Of course such incidents cause the same horror. Their mugshots would be all over the media too and rightly so. Joseph McCann, remember him? someone let him out of prison early and then he went on a massive spree of kidnap and rape. It was all over the papers, just one horrific example. I've also read exposes of men who go abroad to have sex with children Gary Glitter being the most infamous and they deserve all the negative publicity about their disgusting crimes. The elephant in the room that is being ignored in instances such as this latest case, are the two young men are here seeking asylum, they want to stay in this country and yet they have committed a heinous crime. Of course we will always will have in our midst, sexual abusers,criminals, murderers who are British nationals, their DNA has nothing to do with it, they will come under the umbrella of "British" because that's their nationality, they would hold a British passport, so on and so forth. Only one of my grandparents is British through and through, many of us are a mixture of different races and ethnic groups, that's a massive side issue. Yes we have our people who behave badly both here and abroad, and they sometimes drag us down into the mire as how foreigners frame us as a nation. However, time and time again we have young men seeking asylum in this country who carry out criminal acts, surely the anger should be directed at them, firstly for what this poor child has suffered and then for abusing the laws of their host country and finally for besmirching their fellow Afghans (in this case) by their behaviour. I've mentioned this before, because I know the town well, Bournemouth has three asylum hotels, one right opposite a 6th form college and a disproportionate number of the men from those hotels are awaiting criminal trials. The latest case I read about, a woman dragged into woodland and raped by one of them on Bonfire night, she wasn't the first that suffered that fate since these hotels have been open another was raped in a public toilet. Not too far from me is a Sheraton hotel close to Gatwick housing asylum seekers. How many would such a hotel house I couldn't say, but two cases that have been in the news, both local and national, One Iraqi for stalking a young girl on to a train and then forcing himself on her asking for sex. Another grabbing women in intimate places. His defence when he went to court, he didn't know such behaviour wasn't socially acceptable here and he got a suspended sentence, the three women who were assaulted were gutted with the outcome. He didn't know grabbing a woman round the crotch area isn't acceptable, what lame load of spurious crap is that Should this not be reported, should those women just shrug it off and shut up about it, would you if it happened to your younger self, your daughter, your granddaughter ? There are cultural differences as to how "SOME" relate to women that is the problem, it's not to say all their fellow asylum seekers are going to behave in that way anymore than British football hooligans represent every football fan who goes abroad. Certain demographics are over represented in sexual assaults. I believe in Germany when they saw an upsurge in female assaults by asylum seekers they sought to educate the young man coming there in how they should behave towards girls and women and to know in no uncertain terms that to carry out a sexual assault will automatically forfeit the right to stay here. Perhaps that approach should be adopted. I sincerely hope when these two young men, one looked positively baby faced, are deported without further ado of umpteen appeals when they come out of prison. In the meantime spare a thought for the young 15 year old who has developed extreme anxiety, rather than the two young men who just used her for their own gratification.

Paragraphs, PLEASE!

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Witzend - you are not marking my homework .

I don't always bother with paragraphing when I'm in full flow, it breaks my momentum .

Paragraphing now just for you, since you've put such emphasis on the PLEASE hope this post is meeting with your requirements.

Most who have read my post have managed to follow what I've said just as it's been conveyed.

Thanks for the snarky pedantry though.

I really loved being pulled up not

Anything else I could improve on, commas, full stops, capital letters, semi colons. parenthesis, you might like to comment on.

Off to write a hundred times now I MUST PARAGRAPH.

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Skip by then!

I'm allowed to post
Within guidelines.

I would just say that frequently I am bowled over by Terri bulls posts, due to their articulate nature, often they clarify my own feelings on a subject. So if I was marking homework she would be OK

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Just because you haven't written it loud and clear it’s certainly been inferred.

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Not on this thread, that is why it is not in italics - did you not understand that? But it is a constant on others which precludes sensible, rational discussion.

However, the words hate fest and bile were used.
That is unacceptable.

please stop the pile on. it requires more than one person to constitute a pile-on.

Differences of opinion are allowed without name-calling.

You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.
Ditto.

petra

AGAA4

Allira neither Wyllow or I accused posters of being racist! You are using that slur to suit your own rhetoric.
Don't forget everyone is entitled to an opinion but it seems only some feel they are.
I've explained how I feel about rape on this thread so please stop the pile on. You have already given your opinion earlier
I don't need to see it again.

Just because you haven't written it loud and clear it’s certainly been inferred.

I could have reported AGAA4's post as an attack and trying to control what other posters might say.

But I won't. Perhaps it shows that AGAA4 has no valid counter-argument to offer which might have been more interesting.

Galaxy

I would just say that frequently I am bowled over by Terri bulls posts, due to their articulate nature, often they clarify my own feelings on a subject. So if I was marking homework she would be OK

Oh thanks Galaxy, you'd be my mate if we were in the same class, we'd probably be copying each other's homework anyway, and you could even remind me to paragraph when I've overlooked that. PLEASE DO! I don't want to be put in detention again.

I could have reported your posts as a personal attack Allira but I don't report.
There has been a pile on as several posters are joining in. Bullying is cowardly.

No, it wasn't.

Deflection is a problem on many threads.

Let's face it terribull we would be in constant trouble and probably more likely to be found nicking off to the local pub than doing homework.

Ah because I don't agree with "castrate them" "with a rusty saw" "feral young men" that Wyllow called bile.
You clearly haven't read my posts where I said that anyone who comes to this country and commits an offence should be deported.
Probably what most are saying so is that deflection?

I think there is always something about 'shh don't say that' that immediately brings my guard up. I am afraid that lately in politics and public life, it seems to be all people have. No debate, no attempt to even see the other point of view.
Forgetting everything else it is so counterproductive.
I think in this debate you don't get to be a 'good guy' or hold the moral highground. Both 'sides' have risks and shades of grey. I for one will not be sacrificing women and children to be kind. To beat a well worn drum we know how that went the last time.

AGAA4

Ah because I don't agree with "castrate them" "with a rusty saw" "feral young men" that Wyllow called bile.
You clearly haven't read my posts where I said that anyone who comes to this country and commits an offence should be deported.
Probably what most are saying so is that deflection?

That was not clear at all.

That poor girl, our thoughts should be with her. Rapists be castrated and deported.. This government and previous ones are responsible for allowing people here without paperwork without checking their history and coming through illegal routes, caring more for them than their own citizens,, Too anxious to be politically correct than doing their job. The stupid people justifying such acts and crying racist, we are unfortunately stuck with them I suppose, if it happened to them perhaps it might sink in how dreadful the crime is.

It was clear in a subsequent post that you haven't read.
I am as appalled as anyone else by rape by any man. I've said on other threads that if people coming into this country they should be immediately deported.
I actually agree with Trump on this that our government and previous government are letting us down by not controlling our borders.
This situation should never have been allowed to happen.

* commit crimes*

The stupid people justifying such acts...

Where are these "stupid people" please?
I haven't seen anyone justifying these acts!
I think that's ridiculous.

AGAA4

I could have reported your posts as a personal attack Allira but I don't report.
There has been a pile on as several posters are joining in. Bullying is cowardly.

There is no pile on, there is no bullying.There is just you being annoyed at a difference in opinion.
To my mind you were rude to Allira by saying that she had already posted a comment and that you didn’t need to see it again.

NotSpaghetti

^The stupid people justifying such acts...^

Where are these "stupid people" please?
I haven't seen anyone justifying these acts!
I think that's ridiculous.

I think it’s the deflection by a few, we have British rapists and those who attack women so let’s not look at all the sexual assaults on girls and women by young foreign men or asylum seekers, such as this latest case by Afghans.🤬
Well, we have to look at it, face it and admit there’s a big problem.We just have to.

Yep....six cases by Afghan men in the last two months I gather in total.

What strikes me in these discussions is the palpable anger that springs off the page at times from those who are opposed to bringing the subject up with a "you're doing it again demonising one demographic" the victim at times won't even get a mention. Threads such as this don't come out of the blue, they are apropos of the latest conviction.

Since this latest case, another Afghan national, with indefinite leave to remain has been charged with sexually assaulting two 14 year old girls.

Comments that get thrown up, for those who would sweep it under the carpet, tend to be something along the lines of "you lot don't care about all the sexual crimes that are committed here by white British men" We do. I'd hazard a guess given that there are probably something in the region of 30 million adult males in this country, so yes unfortunately sexual abuse will happen, as it will anywhere amongst a large population and those crimes get reported. What stands out unfortunately, are the rape and sexual assaults that occur with the depressing regularity within the asylum seeker demographic, surely that must occur to even the naysayers. It's almost as if there is a parity in their numbers with our own homegrown crimes of a similar nature, which actually is a side issue, we can't deport our own wrong doers. In any event I'm assuming asylum seeker numbers would be thousands as opposed to the millions of the nation's men. So it's the disproportionality, that heightens anxieties, especially where there are a significant number of young men sited in residential areas, well in fact most areas are of that nature. Then as flagged up often, all of this disquiet feeds into the far right who crank it up a couple of notches. Of course they're just looking for trouble, they capitalise on the fact that we've had successive governments who are NOT dealing with the situation in an effective way. When an abuser gets a smack on the wrist for groping women because he didn't know that wasn't an acceptable way to behave over here, what sort of message does that send out? Most rational people would subscribe to "one strike and you're out" All coming on the back of the mass sexual abuse of young girls that has gone on for over 20 years, and that couldn't be talked about for ages either. Look what happened to the brave Labour MP, the late Ann Cryer labelled a racist for bringing it up in the early days when it was brought to her notice. Sometimes this appears to be a well trodden path, when we can't discuss cultural issues that are big problems in our society without being accused as a racist, we're going down a ground hog day all over again and look where that's got us.