2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

TerriBull

Witzend - you are not marking my homework .

I don't always bother with paragraphing when I'm in full flow, it breaks my momentum .

Paragraphing now just for you, since you've put such emphasis on the PLEASE hope this post is meeting with your requirements.

Most who have read my post have managed to follow what I've said just as it's been conveyed.

Thanks for the snarky pedantry though.

I really loved being pulled up not

Anything else I could improve on, commas, full stops, capital letters, semi colons. parenthesis, you might like to comment on.

Off to write a hundred times now I MUST PARAGRAPH.

Oh dear! You posted a brilliant post which everyone admired. Great! Respect!
Then you followed it with this sarcastic piece of nastiness which, for me at least, has changed my opinion of you.
What a shame.
Now I’ll sit back and wait for your followers to shout at me.

To address your comments Crosstitch fan. I'll put my hands up to being sarcastic at times, it generally kicks in when I'm quite nonplussed, as I was somewhat with "paragraphs please!" I'd agree however with Witzend, she did pull me up short, it was one long screed that could have been broken in that she had a point. My response was a bit of the knee jerk nature and not very considered. However, I'm also of the opinion that we are all adults posting on here and it is somewhat patronising to return to a teacher/pupil dynamic it's not what we come on here for. In that respect I don't think we should actually comment on how other posters frame their wording, lack of punctuation etc. If you are reading Witzend, I apologise for my sarcasm in that instance. I can't swear that I won't forget to paragraph again, as I said once I'm in full flow, that sometimes goes out the window.

We all have perceptions of how we perceive other posters. Possibly we are only getting a one dimensional overview though, because most of us don't know each other. I can't really worry about an opinion you have formed of me Crosstitch apropos of that, you don't know me and I don't know you. We all have opinions of prolific posters, possibly what we glean from what they say on here is maybe only one facet of their overall persona.

TerriBull everything you have written in this thread is brilliant and succinct and has encapsulated everything I feel about this horrible situation of the low opinion some migrants feel about women and children. It is worth remembering that the Muslim prophet wedded Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I believe Geraldine Brooks has written an excellent book about life in the Middle East.

Thank you Stansgran x

There is nothing patronising about asking for paragraphs.

A two word post saying 'Paragraphs PLEASE', with not a word about the post's content is very rude at best and totally unnecessary.
TerriBull's post was excellent in its content, and that's the important factor.

eazybee

There is nothing patronising about asking for paragraphs.

Critical though? Making someone feel small?

GrannyGravy13- I agree - there is currently no operational agreement between UK and Afghanistan for asylum seekers. The formal agreement that existed in 2021 be4came inoperable after the change in regime when the Taliban took control.

However the UK government remains committed to not allowing those committed of serious crime to settle in UK etc as posted. Jahanzeb was served with deportation papers at the time of his guilty plea, ie evidencing efforts to deport him. The Uk government has imposed visa penalties on countries that refuse to cooperate with returns of their nationals in such circumstances meanwhile.

The sentencing judge said "a lack of information stokes public anger and leads to spread of false information".

pably15

Israr Niazal...on the news it says that he spent 9 months travelling to uk, eventually arriving in british waters in a small boat, he wants to make a life for himself in this country after he is released. He pleaded guilty 1 day before his 17th birthday, it seems that was the cut off point for automatic deportation.
Surely this government has to start looking after the British people instead of bending backwards to accomodate migrants.

Our govt can do both. It’s not either all. If we had to deal with even a quarter of what some asylum seekers go through we might actually appreciate that, compared to many other countries, we are actually quite lucky.

Of course, this doesn’t give ANYONE the right to sexually assault or hurt any other human wherever they come from. I think they should be deported. Having said that even when Brits are legally in others countries if they are found guilty of crimes they are imprisoned in said country.

Stansgran

TerriBull everything you have written in this thread is brilliant and succinct and has encapsulated everything I feel about this horrible situation of the low opinion some migrants feel about women and children. It is worth remembering that the Muslim prophet wedded Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9. I believe Geraldine Brooks has written an excellent book about life in the Middle East.

I think we need to balance this by acknowledging there are people living here of all faiths and nationalities who don’t have any indications that they want to marry 6 years or have sex with 9 year old girls and that have settled very happily here, working and having adult relationships with other adults.

There’s some pretty rum stuff in our Christian bibles, especially the Old Testament, that we accept isn’t necessarily literal today.

Lathyrus3

There are enough of these cases of rapes now to be able to say there is an identifiable pattern. They are no longer isolated incidents.

It seems to me that an immediate education programme when asylum seekers arrive, into the culture of they are entering, especially in regard to human relationships, social norms, laws and penalties, would be one way to bring about change.

But as long as people are chanting racist and demanding that these attacks are not recognised as a pattern, then nothing will be put into place and this abuse will escalate.

I wish those who are set on denial could see that they are actually making things worse, both for women and asylum seekers. A practical approach rather than an ineffective ideology is what’s needed.

Excellent comments.

Lathyrus- a great post- I agree with you.

So do I Lathyrus.

Educating asylum seekers when they arrive was talked about days ago. A good post on it by Terribull

Who are all these people chanting "racist?"