2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

AGAA4

I agree. These men should not be allowed out until they have been educated, maybe even having to pass an exam.
When I see how my GD and her friends dress to go out, men who have rarely seen a woman who is not covered from head to toe may think they are available for sex.
They need to learn that there will be consequences.

Yes I agree. My gd, back in the summertime, as with many girls of her age was wearing the low slung jeans with a lot of bare midriff and I'd hate to think such girls are viewed as easy meat. Our generation wore the very short skirts of the day. In both instances it was about the fashion, we dressed for ourselves, not to give out "come and get me" signals.

Wyllow3

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

The pertinent question is if these asylum seekers want to settle in the U.K. for a better life, what makes them think that raping, assaulting and even murdering innocent U.K. citizens is OK 🤬🤷‍♀️

One assault/rape is one too many, unfortunately there are more cases coming to light on a regular basis.

Of course we know that U.K. born citizens rape, assault and murder, no one is denying that.

This asylum/migrant offending is different for many reasons and needs to be addressed pronto!

When there are millions of male UK citizens as opposed to thousands of male asylum seekers, then the odds dictate that there is more of a likelihood of an assault by a UK national and of course unfortunately that happens. I don't think anyone on this thread is denying that. We live in an age where porn and the pernicious influence of misogynists such as Andrew Tate have driven much of this along. I thought that had been established over and over, we have our own miscreants, they walk among us, we can't get rid of them though can we?

The points raised on this thread are about disproportionality of of the "various" who are variously are over represented in such crimes and unlike their British counterparts we should be able to get rid of them. Why would we want to add even more abusers to the ones we already have?

Exactly TerriBull 👍

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

I think you should be careful of your use of the term' racist.'

The recent murderers and racists discussed on here have been identified and convicted of their crimes.
People are understandably fearful of more unidentified males arriving with little respect for British conduct.

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole

It is a worrying trend, ongoing and getting worse with messages from misogynists online influencing boys and young men. A huge problem which should not be subsumed in this.

This is a different and unique new problem and needs to be discussed separately.

Wyllow3 I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

So when a case is about an Afghan asylum seeker you think that shouldn't be mentioned? The point you seem to miss, whether deliberately or through lack of understanding is that we can't deport our home grown criminals but can and should deport foreign born ones with no rigt of appeal when they've committed a criminal act.
If you don't want to discuss the subject of this thread then nobody is going to force you to do so, but you equally don't have the right to shut down other people by slinging silly meaningless accusations of racism and hate around.

Well that's me told then - I'd wondered why there seem to be a lot of short videos out there (yep they're up on YouTube too) and also places like Instagram - and these videos feature young British women out for the night/joking around/not wearing much in the way of clothing often (ie sometimes skirts so short you wonder if their knickers are on show).

Now I know - ie it's a tactic these people smugglers use to entice men from less civilised countries to Britain. They are specifically - non-verbally - making out "These British women - they're available and easy" !!!!!! Definitely making out that we're up for grabs - literally. This is NOT helpful - to say the least - to think we're being advertised as if we're goods on a supermarket shelf and there for the taking.

....and yet useful/practical type posts on these places get censored off (eg because current government disagrees with people being able to get full facts about things) and yet these misleading "women available for free" type videos get left up there....and I can see that many of these young girls are just going to think "Oh its a bit of fun and I want to be an influencer anyway" and not realise there's darker reasons why some strange man wants to video them...

As someone who was a political activist for years = I recall a few photos grabbed of me when younger....for that sort of reason (yep I even recall a man to my astonishment leaping up/photographing a gathering of a few of us in someone's private sitting room from their front garden and running off. How did they even know there was a mini political gathering going on in someone's home? and it was none of their business it was). So my own reaction to a camera is to clock the photographer one or run for it. But these young partygoing women arent going to realise people need permission before taking one's photo and you need to know who they are.

Wyllow3- 10.11- I completely agree.

GrannyGravy-it's not ok for asylum seekers to rape, just as it's not ok for UK citizens to rape. It's never OK to rape. Asylum seekers who are convicted will not be able to settle in UK; all efforts will be sought to deport them once they have been convicted.

So is the thread about the abuse perpetrated by catholics also hateful and anti Catholic. If not why not?

CariadAgain
The only time a person needs your permission to take a photo of you, is, you are in your home or garden or your on private land.

petra

CariadAgain
The only time a person needs your permission to take a photo of you, is, you are in your home or garden or your on private land.

I know that's how the law stands currently. I go by where morals stand - and it's obviously immoral to take a photo of someone without their agreement. Sometimes people have good reason....sometimes that's just how they prefer it....but it ain't right to take a photo of someone without their agreement. I remember flying at an ex-boyfriend on holiday abroad in a Greek location and he was just going to take a photo without asking of a local priest that had just sat down. Cue for me flying at him and telling him he must ask the priests permission to do that - which he had to do to shut me up and the priest did duly agree. But it was the priests right to have his say about any photo taken of him. All very well to take a photo of a group of pretty little kittens playing with each other - but the priest was a person and it was their call.

I know I've had an occasion as a steward of a march years back where the woman I'd just gotten on friendly terms with by me saw the cameras and cue for me instantly having to turn into protecting her from the camera - because she'd just told me she was a battered wife and had escaped across the country from him and wanted to "do her bit" and support the demo...but did not want possible personal repercussions against her. Very good reason to protect her from the camera lens imo - so there was no chance he'd see the footage and realise where she was and I was duly shielding her from view until the camera had gone away again.

At the social thing I went to yesterday photos were wanted of "What a happy local gathering this is..." and someone came round first with a placard explaining why they wanted to take the cameras out and asking everyone's permission individually. Which is just how I think it should have been....

I’m not sure that you can productively discuss rape as a whole in terms of preventing it.

I actually believe that for effective prevention it has to be identified in patterns and each pattern addressed in relevant measures.

So I do think it is important to explore this emerging pattern separately, it’s possible origins and reasons and what specifically can be done to prevent its growth.

I believe that the prevention of rape and violence against women, is more important than a desire to treat these rapes as whole male pattern.

Effective prevention, even if it does mean exploring the possible influence of ethnicity and religious belief in these cases must take priority.

Galaxy

So is the thread about the abuse perpetrated by catholics also hateful and anti Catholic. If not why not?

Exactly. There’s also a thread about the prolific abuse of boys and young men by Smythe, who operated under the ‘respectable ‘ Church of England.

It’s a fact that men of Afghani asylum seeking backgrounds are over represented in recent stats on sexual offences. It’s a problem, exacerbated by the fact this nationality of men are likely to qualify for asylum.

As ever, I’m going to ask the question. Why is it that so many men are sexually attracted to children.

Wyllow3

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

I don't think you understand what is being said. There are a disproportionate amount of attacks on women and girls by asylum seekers.
I think that educating these young men on how to behave with women here benefits them as they may not go on to harm women meaning they might be able to stay here. Also of course fewer women would be attacked.
I don't understand how you see this as racist?
I believe children should be taught to respect each other from an early age wherever they were born.

LemonJam

Wyllow3- 10.11- I completely agree.

GrannyGravy-it's not ok for asylum seekers to rape, just as it's not ok for UK citizens to rape. It's never OK to rape. Asylum seekers who are convicted will not be able to settle in UK; all efforts will be sought to deport them once they have been convicted.

The U.K. previously had a formal returns agreement with the Government of Afghanistan, but this agreement has been inoperable in practice since the Taliban takeover in 2021.

All enforced returns to the country are currently suspended.

i.e. the Afghan criminals are here to stay for the foreseeable until such time a new agreement is in place.

Nor do we have a returns agreement with Sudan

We do have one with Iran, but the government there makes it nigh on possible to return people.

Wyllow3I hope you reported your abuser.

Hopefully they will be incarcerated for their crime.

I would put them on an airplane, send them to their country of birth, drop them off and let them sort themselves out. Yes, I know we don't know where they come from but not difficult to work out.
This won't go down well but I'm sick of their rights at the expense of these poor victims in our country

I agree AGAA4, childhood is where we learn acceptable behaviour. The reality is that cultural norms in Afghanistan have always been very different to ours. They’re even more oppressive towards women and girls now

Fifty years ago my cousin and his girl friend followed the hippie trail to India. They travelled through Afghanistan, felt safe and accepted. They reported that often my cousin was offered a camel in exchange for his beautiful blonde girl friend. Whilst it never became threatening they were increasingly aware of the value out on women. At least fifty years ago it was safe to travel through the country.

Wyllow3

UK born male citizens see women every day dressed as per we dress and go and rape women or often having grown up in an environment where women are abused, go on and abuse women.

Your GD and her friends are far more likely to be abused by a UK born and raised male

I'm happy to discuss rape and abuse as a whole and incomers as part of that, but this continual obsessive blaming on various immigrants is just really racist and hate mongering.

Over on another thread we are discussing just ouse of the abuse that happened under the guise of Christianity: I was sexually abused two months ago in a worship setting; lets get things in proportion.

You keep on saying that this is racist and that is racist, flinging the term about continually at posters when it’s nothing of the sort.
This particular thread is addressing the subject of asylum seekers who come here for a better life then rape or sexually assault girls and women here.If you prefer to sweep this fact under the carpet it’s up to you but it seems very very curious for any person, especially a woman to do that.

GrannyGravy13

*Wyllow3*I hope you reported your abuser.

Hopefully they will be incarcerated for their crime.

You don’t get incarcerated for minor crimes of that kind GG13 or so I have read.

Oreo you are right. Sexual abuse will not result in a prison sentence but men who commit these acts can go on to rape.

Thank you for the calcification, basically in the 21st century it is still open season for women.

Men can cop a feel and get away with it 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

There are enough of these cases of rapes now to be able to say there is an identifiable pattern. They are no longer isolated incidents.

It seems to me that an immediate education programme when asylum seekers arrive, into the culture of they are entering, especially in regard to human relationships, social norms, laws and penalties, would be one way to bring about change.

But as long as people are chanting racist and demanding that these attacks are not recognised as a pattern, then nothing will be put into place and this abuse will escalate.

I wish those who are set on denial could see that they are actually making things worse, both for women and asylum seekers. A practical approach rather than an ineffective ideology is what’s needed.