Trump’s visa plans

My question was who on these threads is saying that in all these other places the regimes are OK.

I don't doubt that their leaders too say that they have the interests of their people at heart, want to make their country great again, control immigration and drug trafficking, improve the economy, make everyone law-abiding and God-fearing etc etc. That is what dictators say. Everyone who aims for high office in government says this, and about half of them actually mean it at the time, it is only once they have the reins in their hands that they realise that most of their time will be spent fighting off the alligators. No-one would expect them to say that they seized power so that they could grab all the money they could extract from the population.

The Trump administration is the most visible of the current regimes. Their "debates" and Trump's presidential diktats are published on the internet, in Trump's case several times a day as personal rants against anyone who expresses a different opinion to his own. How often do you see a personal post by the leader of one of the other regimes that David names, listing those he or she thinks have been uncomplimentary about him, who he clearly feels are not worthy of inhabiting this earth alongside him? Never?

The frequent airing of the minute details of Trump's mental processes, and his resultant national policies, are the reason for the widespread reactions to his regime.

Well, David, I don't regard Mr Trump as being subjected to any " witch hunt".

The whole Epstein circus is a anti Trump, Democrats are desperate to connect him to law breaking.

The whole Epstein circus is a anti Trump

😲 I cannot believe anyone would post that.

Do you think what happened to those abused girls was a circus?
I'm horrified.

I think it is certainly being used as a political tool. By both sides.

I agree. The public in the USA do appear to understand that’s the case though, not many of them are taken in by the rhetoric, at least from what the polls or media portray.

A long time ago, when I was a kid, many British people where we lived heartily disliked Americans. Probably partly jealousy because they had more material goods and lived a more luxurious life in those days. I wouldn’t want that feeling to recur because of their current leader. I have come across some Americans who think Trump is great and doing a good job in my travels round the Pacific. Obviously not all his fellow countrymen detest him and they voted him in originally and I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he or one his followers got in next time. They like that he concentrates on the US and leaves Europe to its own devices.

I'm sure that abused and trafficked women might describe their experiences at the hands of Mr Epstein and his friends in different terms, David.
Presumably, the rape for which Mr Trump was convicted would also be a " circus" in your eyes. I prefer other terms for such behaviours.
In my post, which you quote, I made, of course, no comment on Mr Trump's many lovely photographs with the late Mr Epstein.
I noticed, however that you made no reference to the actual content of my post -Mr Trump's activities regarding boats, or threats to the sovereignty of Greenland, or calling his electorate " scum".
It's more difficult to see these as witchunts, perhaps.
This gentleman in the White House is already a convicted felon, there is no need for anyone to be " desperate" to find him a lawbreaker.

It was also obvious to anyone with half a brain that Clinton was a predatory, the abuse of women and children occurs across party lines.

Trump is a convicted felon.
Trump was adjudicated for rape.
Sex trafficking and rape is not a circus.

Perhaps you have not noticed David, that Trump's own actions have connected him to law breaking.
He is already a convicted felon.
How did you miss that fact?
Are you saying the Epstein Files should not be released?

Galaxy

It was also obvious to anyone with half a brain that Clinton was a predatory, the abuse of women and children occurs across party lines.

Clinton hasn’t been president for 25 years though, he left well before Epstein was in the public consciousness. Not excusing his involvement, just the facts.

Trump just another in a long line of abusers? Makes our mob look like Saints ( and yours,too). Incompetent though they may be.

Maremia

Perhaps you have not noticed David, that Trump's own actions have connected him to law breaking.
He is already a convicted felon.
How did you miss that fact?
Are you saying the Epstein Files should not be released?

He was convicted of a crime and served the penalty

Whatever else is alleged he is innocent until proven guilty, or are you applying double standards to him.

As for Epstein whether the millions of pages of laundered files ever give any evidence seems unlikely at present

Dom Joly has been refused an Esta because of his social media posts which have been critical of Trump. It's all getting a bit McCarthyish isn't it? I wonder which other entertainers will have access to American audiences blocked by Trump?

I can’t find any reference online to that, he is pretty outspoken on You Tube about the US he earns money from that, so it would be a good excuse to require a working visa.
Which he isn’t going to get

It's in today's Times

Again worrying about free speech now is a decade too late.

Galaxy

Again worrying about free speech now is a decade too late.

So are you saying that as you think it is "too late", we should all shut up and put up with it, without continuing to comment on the demise of said free speech? We just knuckle under and stop criticising where criticism is due, because the game is lost and we should be sportsmanlike enough to concede defeat? or cowed enough to give in?

Many of our rights have been threatened in the past, or even totally withheld for centuries or millenia. That hasn't stopped people continuing to fight for them.

I don't believe that people complaining about free speech now care about free speech. In my opinion they care about the speech they aporove of. Under no circumstances would I work with them to combat threats against free speech. I would work with those who have been highlighting this concern for a decade.

nanna8, I do agree that Mr Trump has lowered the bar for acceptable behaviour so much that it makes the leaders of most other countries appear wonderful.
I cannot imagine any Prime Minister of Britain issuing a Christmas message in which he or she referred to a section their electorate as "scum".

By being willing to work with only a narrower selection of others, Galaxy, you lengthen the time it is likely to take to achieve your aim. Who you do or do not work with is up to you. However, you lengthen it even further when you discourage those who are prepared to work by telling them that it is now too late.

I am reading and listening to a lot of opinion that suggests Trump is pretty ill.

The thought of Vance fills me with even more foreboding than Trump, although it is becoming clear that Trump no longer has the full support from GOP. Vance does not have the hold over the party that Trump has had, so perhaps Vance will be forced to fall more in line. The republicans largely support Ukraine and NATO amongst other stuff so that should be a better outcome than we potentially have at the moment.

Whitewavemark2

I am reading and listening to a lot of opinion that suggests Trump is pretty ill.

The thought of Vance fills me with even more foreboding than Trump, although it is becoming clear that Trump no longer has the full support from GOP. Vance does not have the hold over the party that Trump has had, so perhaps Vance will be forced to fall more in line. The republicans largely support Ukraine and NATO amongst other stuff so that should be a better outcome than we potentially have at the moment.

Wishful thinking

I can't say for sure what a Vance Presidency would look like, but I do know that he is rather unpopular in the polls.

Vance is beholden to Theil and, IMO, more of a yes man vs the loose cannon Trump is. Trump is unpredictable to even those closest to him, which leads to the dysfunction currently. If Vance is in charge, he will toe the line and be easier to control. But Vance doesn't have the blind loyalty of MAGA, which will be a problem. Especially as more of MAGA wake up.

Basically, it's a crapshoot.

I should say that Vance has an Erika Kirk problem currently. They really have been acting inappropriatly on stage in a lot of peoples opinions, and even MAGA is questioning it.

An interesting trend I keep seeing in opinion pieces is that Trump is loosing the Gen Z MAGA men and Erika Kirk is bringing in the Gen Z women. However, Meghan Kelly recently got backlash after saying something about women not being respected in the work place. She obviously misses the fact that she promoted this reality, so I can't feel sorry for her.

This is all my opinion and gossip, of course, but an interesting theory to keep an eye on and see how things end up.