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Paul Doyle sentenced to 21+ years

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Furret Tue 16-Dec-25 14:51:02

Good. Driving into a crowd and injuring 137 people. Now that’s what I call justice.,

2507C0 Wed 17-Dec-25 18:00:33

When he fits the criteria for a diagnosis of a mental illness.

ViceVersa Wed 17-Dec-25 18:35:20

I'm sorry, Granatlast007, but I cannot for the life of me see how it can be a 'small step' to run down a human being just because someone in in a hurry or angry. Yes, I'm sure that there are some on here who have had the odd episode of road rage from time to time - but it's a far cry from uttering a few swear words or blasting your horn at someone to deliberately driving into someone. I don't see how anyone can excuse his behaviour.

Granatlast007 Wed 17-Dec-25 18:38:02

Furret

Good. Driving into a crowd and injuring 137 people. Now that’s what I call justice.,

Yes, but the bigger picture is this:

Based on a BBC study using Freedom of Information requests to police forces between 2007 and 2014 regarding incidents where a cyclist was killed by a motor vehicle:
276 recorded incidents resulted in a cyclist's death.
148 of these (54%) resulted in the driver being charged with an offence.
108 of those charged (73%) resulted in a conviction.
This indicates that approximately 46% of incidents where a cyclist was killed did not result in a charge, and a further 27% of those charged were not convicted (acquitted or discharged).
More recent analysis and evidence submitted to the UK Parliament suggests that only a fraction of drivers in crashes that kill vulnerable road users (pedestrians and cyclists) ever face serious criminal charges.
Campaigning groups argue for greater transparency so it is possible to know how many collisions result in a prosecution and conviction, and the reasons for "no further action", highlighting that this data is not consistently or transparently available.

Of course, what Doyle did was outrageous but there is violence and death on our roads all the time and one case, monstrous in its outcome, doesn't mean we can shut the door and ignore the rest.

Allira Wed 17-Dec-25 19:24:49

Not a popular point of view I'm sure but maybe we could just pull back from being judge and jury.

No need to be jury. He pleaded guilty.
Paul Doyle, 54, has changed his pleas to guilty on all 31 charges arising from the crash during Liverpool’s title parade in May. The charges include dangerous driving and affray, nine counts of causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) with intent, 17 counts of attempting to cause GBH, and three counts of wounding with intent.

The judge summed up and sentenced Doyle.

This is not sub judice. We can now comment.

Allira Wed 17-Dec-25 19:29:02

Goodness me, I'm astonished that posters are trying to mitigate his actions!

Judge Andrew Menary KC says Doyle "drove over limbs and crushed prams" causing "devastation", injuring more than 130 people

Judge Andrew Menary KC told Paul Doyle his driving was "aggressive and dangerous" as he ploughed into a crowd in Liverpool.

"Between 17:59 and 18:01, you used your vehicle as a weapon... driving into and over more than 100 people," he told the 54-year-old.

WithNobsOnIt Wed 17-Dec-25 19:46:10

IOMGran

Think it should have been life in Broadmoor as he's violent and unpredictable. Also would deny access to roids.

A Broadmoor stretch would have been just the job.

Does Rampton still exist.? That would be even better!!!!

Casdon Wed 17-Dec-25 19:54:07

He has been assessed by all accounts, but has not been assessed as severely mentally ill. Secure hospitals like Rampton and Broadmoor would therefore not be appropriate for him. He was deemed to be suitable for prison. We have to trust that that was the right decision, given we don’t know all the facts.

Iam64 Wed 17-Dec-25 21:15:14

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

ruthiek Wed 17-Dec-25 21:36:18

Broad moor is a physchiatric hospital BUT for the criminally insane

MayBee70 Wed 17-Dec-25 22:01:06

Going off at a slight tangent here but my partner has a neighbour that has been sectioned for six months. But he saw her driving her car today. Surely that shouldn’t be allowed? He thought she was in hospital.

Iam64 Thu 18-Dec-25 07:49:50

MayBee people can be home after a section if they’re responding to treatment. Why shouldn’t she be driving ?

Oreo Thu 18-Dec-25 07:50:42

At the time I really wondered about the reason but it seems as if it was just a case of blind rage/ red mist or whatever you want to call it.
He deserves the sentence he got.I doubt that he will serve all of it the way our prisons are going it will be 40% of the sentence or mistakenly released in a fortnight.

MayBee70 Thu 18-Dec-25 08:33:32

Iam64

MayBee people can be home after a section if they’re responding to treatment. Why shouldn’t she be driving ?

Her behaviour, in general, has been quite frightening over the past couple of years. Throwing stones at peoples houses, trying to poison her neighbours dog etc. She was eventually sectioned because she attacked her partner and could have blinded him.

Chocolatelovinggran Thu 18-Dec-25 08:55:17

I was aggrieved for the people of Liverpool when his attempt to plead not guilty rested on the crowd being aggressive towards him, throwing bottles at him etc.
Obviously, this was quickly disproved by CCTV footage, but how could he, a resident of the city, slur his fellow citizens to try to save his own skin. Liverpudlians remember Hillsborough.

Wyllow3 Thu 18-Dec-25 09:16:09

IOMGran

He has a long history of violent outbursts. At what point should this be treated as a mental health issue?

I'm sure that they have looked into this IOM. I'm afraid I don't see the awful events as any more than nasty male "losing it" behaviour, and not suitable for Broadmoor, where there has to be an identifiable MH condition as in psychosis or strong risks of.
It may be spot on abut the trauma of course, there have to be factors to make him who he is.

Iam64 Thu 18-Dec-25 16:28:37

He had choices. He’s caused life long trauma to so many. He has an awful temper.

keepingquiet Thu 18-Dec-25 21:01:31

I read he had agreed to drop off a friend in the city centre and would go back for him later. This friend was a friend of his wife, and he supposedly did it as a favour to her.
Doyle is an Everton, not Liverpool, supporter.
When the friend messaged him to ask to be picked up Doyle agreed to go and fetch him but was unable to get through the crowd.
I am sure that what seemed a favour to his wife's friend at the beginning turned out to be a terrible mistake- and then going back again an even bigger one.
If he had simply told the guy to sort himself out we would never have heard of Paul Doyle and he would still be living his life...
How life can change on a sixpence.

Iam64 Thu 18-Dec-25 21:41:06

I don’t see this in such simplistic terms keeping quiet. The reason he was there is irrelevant. His murderous rage is the relevant issue

I’m sure everyone reading this thread has found themselves in really stressful situation in the context of doing a favour. We don’t lose control and drive our cars into crowds

What point are yiu making about him supporting Everton not Liverpool?
Life changed in a sixpence for Doyle’s victims

welbeck Thu 18-Dec-25 22:08:43

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

Allira Thu 18-Dec-25 22:56:18

welbeck

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

He drove through a red light at speed and undertook other vehicles en route to the city centre.

keepingquiet Thu 18-Dec-25 23:01:55

welbeck

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

Yes, that's what I read too- he went through a couple of red lights and was speeding. I am struggling to figure out why, if he was such a great guy, as some claim, that his behaviour became so extreme?
It couldn't have come from nowhere.
It just seems such a terrible thing to do just for the sake of giving someone a lift?
Maybe his temper was so bad he could have gone on to do something equally revolting either at home or nearby?
I'm really just scratting around for explanations when there aren't any...

Bodach Thu 18-Dec-25 23:39:42

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

Sarnia Fri 19-Dec-25 07:54:05

Bodach

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

Good point.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 19-Dec-25 08:21:02

Interesting point, Bodach. Curiously, I see this as the opposite signalling - "ex Marine, obviously likely to have seen terrible things, and potentially suffering from PTSD".

Allira Fri 19-Dec-25 09:58:46

Bodach

I don't know if it was common to all media outlets, but I became increasingly annoyed that every single time the BBC mentioned this man, it was "Paul Doyle, the former Royal Marine". For pity's sake - it's more than 30 years since he had been kicked out of the Marines after less than 2 years service, including his training. Were they trying to insinuate that this sort of behaviour was typical of a Marine, or that it was a result of his service? Why didn't they refer to him simply by his name, or "..the IT Systems Engineer"? After all, he had spent many more years doing that than he had being a Marine. Lazy journalism to assume 'ex Armed Forces = psychopathic thug'.

I agree.

He was kicked out of the Marines for violent behaviour for which he received a prison sentence.

The Royal Marines are tough but disciplined and he could not control his behaviour.

Liverpool Parade attacker Paul Doyle was once jailed for biting off the ear of a sailor during a drunken brawl.
The former Royal Marine has a number of military and civilian criminal convictions from the early 1990s, including a sickening assault which saw him handed an immediate custodial sentence.
He was kicked out of the Marines after just 22 months, being told “Services No Longer Required”.
Details of the ear biting incident, which happened in July 1993, were read out at Liverpool crown court this morning as Doyle was being sentenced for his actions at the Liverpool victory parade.

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