Paul Doyle sentenced to 21+ years

Chocolatelovinggran

Interesting point, Bodach. Curiously, I see this as the opposite signalling - "ex Marine, obviously likely to have seen terrible things, and potentially suffering from PTSD".

No.

He barely completed his training.

Iam64

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

I don't know if that's a dig at me, I am 64 with an implied accusation of racism but I grew up in Brixton, South London, part of an Irish family alongside many, many black people. Brixton was then seen as a slum.
When I studied sociology and then psychology, I was stunned to discover that Irish people are on a par with black people in terms of mental health problems. Both peoples, come of course, from countries dominated by and meddled with by the British Empire and other conquering nations who drew lines on maps that had nothing to do with the people who lived in those areas.
Our prisons are full of people of all nationalities who have mental health problems. Those problems come partly from growing inequality and economic issues, growing up in poverty is damaging.
I'm not someone who condemns, I am a Quaker, we like to stop and consider first. Not normal these days I know.

Allira, I did not suggest that I believed that he was suffering from PTSD.
I stated that I felt the media highlighting this was raising the possibility.

Granatlast007

Iam64

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

I don't know if that's a dig at me, I am 64 with an implied accusation of racism but I grew up in Brixton, South London, part of an Irish family alongside many, many black people. Brixton was then seen as a slum.
When I studied sociology and then psychology, I was stunned to discover that Irish people are on a par with black people in terms of mental health problems. Both peoples, come of course, from countries dominated by and meddled with by the British Empire and other conquering nations who drew lines on maps that had nothing to do with the people who lived in those areas.
Our prisons are full of people of all nationalities who have mental health problems. Those problems come partly from growing inequality and economic issues, growing up in poverty is damaging.
I'm not someone who condemns, I am a Quaker, we like to stop and consider first. Not normal these days I know.

I think you have completely misunderstood the point that Iam64was making.

You completely turned it on its head.

Granatlast, i wasn’t having a dig at anybody. I don’t understand your post

I don’t understand the relevance of your references to the British Empire. Please don’t assume that I don’t have knowledge and understanding of racism and poverty.

FWIW my dad was a Roayal Marine during ww2. He was one of the many 19 year olds running up the beaches in the invasion of Sicily. He’d have been appalled by this man’s actions.

I studied sociology and then psychology

Perhaps re-read Iam64's first post then Granatlast007?

Chocolatelovinggran

Allira, I did not suggest that I believed that he was suffering from PTSD.
I stated that I felt the media highlighting this was raising the possibility.

Ignore the media. They make things up.

The media repeatedly referred to him as an ex royal Marine, implying ptsd from active service accounted for his murderiys outrage

I feel for Paul Doyles family. Poor them

Iam64

The media repeatedly referred to him as an ex royal Marine, implying ptsd from active service accounted for his murderiys outrage

Spin- there was no evidence of PTSD

mumofmadboys

I feel for Paul Doyles family. Poor them

Maybe they will get on fine without him? He didn't sound like a nice man at all.

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

I often think of the people that survive these sort of atrocities but with life changing injuries. .

keepingquiet

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

Agree

I was irritated by the media attempting to spin Mr Doyle as a brave Royal Marine who had ptsd as a result of service. No, he was a man with a temper

My dad was a Royal Marine who saw very active service. Lovely gentle strong man.

Yes, being in the forces doesn't make you a madman.

The daily mail today had an article about what a tough time this former Royal Marine will have in prison. I’m sure former Royal Marines who passed training and served, rather than being booted out after hitting an officer, are sick of finding themselves seen as sharing history with this man

Iam64

keepingquiet

My sympathy is with his victims- they will certainly have PTSD and will probably never get over what happened to them. Also the hundreds of witnesses- it must have been terrible to be there.

Agree

I was irritated by the media attempting to spin Mr Doyle as a brave Royal Marine who had ptsd as a result of service. No, he was a man with a temper

My dad was a Royal Marine who saw very active service. Lovely gentle strong man.

Agree. He had extensive tests and nothing showed up as being responsible for his actions that day. If PTSD had played a part then his defence team would have used that to their advantage. Instead of describing him as an ex-Marine, thereby giving him a persona he doesn't have, perhaps they should use disgraced Marine or discredited Marine.

If PTSD had played a part then his defence team would have used that to their advantage.

He did not see active service.
He was in the Royal Engineers briefly
When Doyle was in the Royal Engineers in 1989, he committed a military offence equated to common assault and was give seven days' detention, he said. The court heard in March the following year, aged 18, Doyle was fined for a minor offence of dishonesty

Then completed just 22 months of a 22 year service in the Royal Marines.

Paul Greaney KC, prosecuting, told Liverpool Crown Court Doyle enlisted in the Royal Marines at age 19, after a short period in the Royal Engineers. He signed up for 22 years' service but was discharged in January 1993, 22 months after enlisting.

Doyle did not see active service and was discharged on a basis that his services were no longer required, the court heard. Mr Greaney said Doyle had both civilian and service convictions.

Since then he appeared to have rehabilitated himself until this dreadful incident.

Iam64

The daily mail today had an article about what a tough time this former Royal Marine will have in prison. I’m sure former Royal Marines who passed training and served, rather than being booted out after hitting an officer, are sick of finding themselves seen as sharing history with this man

Bizarre even for the DM. What's their point?

Wyllow, this morning they had an interview with the man whose ear Doyle bit off in a drunken fracas. The man had attempted to break up a drunken fight . He was senior officer in a group of navy recruits with Doyle and another marine brought in to make up numbers