Venezuela air attack

LJ, I agree

Why can’t any leader face charges in a foreign court if charges are at least documented and presented? 25 pages in this case of Venezuela’s president and his wife. Presumably a team of defence lawyers will act ?

Ronib 12.47 - Why can't any leader face charges in a foreign court if charges are at least documented and presented? 25 pages in this case of Venezuela's president and his wife. Presumably a team of defence lawyers will act?'

ANY leader in ANY foreign country? Ronib, are you suggesting Starmer should be able to illegally abduct another foreign leader, as Trump abducted Maduro?

That is Starmer should be able to legally adduct another country's leader, who has not engaged in hostilities against the UK but the UK may be unhappy with. E.g Putin- without any effort to enlist the support of the UK public or their elected representatives in HoC, and without even the semblance of a stated plan how Russia would then be governed?

After all it would also be possible to confect and document charges, present them to Putin and he would no doubt have defence lawyers as you state.

How would that work?

Albeit there would be many that would welcome Putin going to prison and out of government..

Am totally sure that no leader in any country should have the power to take a country over militarily and abduct the leader when that country has not committed an act of aggression against them. Whether Maduro was a dictator who was trafficking drugs is beside the point, there are many leaders who could be described as dictators who should be doing jail time. So where do we do we draw the line? According to Trump that would very much depend on whether a country has oil or other precious resources. And Iran has plenty of oil.

We do have a court of law that cases like this can be presented and tried.

The ICJ.

It has many cases come before it.

Iran v USA

South Africa v Israel

Ukraine v Russia

Myanmar’s v Gambia

Too many to list really.

For individual criminal leaders we have the ICC sitting in The Hague.

This is where Maduro should be tried.

The ICC issues warrants for wanted criminals. There are currently a number of warrants issued for various criminal leaders.

This is what due process and the International Rule of Law should look like.

Well, Trump doesn’t exactly respect the rule of law in his own country.

WWM2- I agree and you've provided Ronib with the answer to her question at 12.47.

Whitewavemark2

We do have a court of law that cases like this can be presented and tried.

The ICJ.

It has many cases come before it.

Iran v USA

South Africa v Israel

Ukraine v Russia

Myanmar’s v Gambia

Too many to list really.

For individual criminal leaders we have the ICC sitting in The Hague.

This is where Maduro should be tried.

The ICC issues warrants for wanted criminals. There are currently a number of warrants issued for various criminal leaders.

This is what due process and the International Rule of Law should look like.

I might agree with you in principle.

But it issues @non-binding advice@ does it not?

All of us condemning it whereas the Venezuelan people are out on the streets celebrating an end to the terrible dictatorship. Lots of videos from the people saying how Trump has saved them.

Menopauselbitch

All of us condemning it whereas the Venezuelan people are out on the streets celebrating an end to the terrible dictatorship. Lots of videos from the people saying how Trump has saved them.

Yes and I would be with them if I was a Venezuelan.

But this has to be looked at in context.

Gun boat diplomacy and Might is Right.

Is that what we want?

Perhaps every dictator in the world needs arresting?

Menopauselbitch

All of us condemning it whereas the Venezuelan people are out on the streets celebrating an end to the terrible dictatorship. Lots of videos from the people saying how Trump has saved them.

Sometimes protocols have to be ignored to get something done.The Venezuelan people both in that country and those who live in other countries now are celebrating. Can’t be all bad then.

Interesting that the winner of the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize was a Venezuelan woman.

It would be much better if every dictator and those ruling countries without elections were removed of course.

Fallingstar

Well, Trump doesn’t exactly respect the rule of law in his own country.

It seems Rubicon has been crossed.

Whitewavemark2

Menopauselbitch

All of us condemning it whereas the Venezuelan people are out on the streets celebrating an end to the terrible dictatorship. Lots of videos from the people saying how Trump has saved them.

Yes and I would be with them if I was a Venezuelan.

But this has to be looked at in context.

Gun boat diplomacy and Might is Right.

Is that what we want?

Perhaps every dictator in the world needs arresting?

I'm really surprised that people seem to believe that this is some sort of liberation for the Venezuelans.

Trump has engineered the removal of Maduro, but the whole machinery of the rotten regime which he used is still in place. Maduro's vice president has been sworn in as the interim president (to do Trump's bidding). Do you really expect any relief for the Venezuelan peoples? Is she suddenly going to right all the wrongs they have suffered?

I strongly doubt it. Trump won't be interested in seeing that she does.
Hell, he's been content to impose hardship and cruelty on the US people. He ain't bothered about foreigners...

Ladyleftfieldlover

Apparently trump should have got permission from Congress. How many times has this dreadful, unhinged man gone too far? Yet he still gets away with it all.

How would permission from Congress have justified kidnapping another country's president?

Or justify talking about attacking Cuba next? Or Greenland?

I am getting to the point of hoping that the conspiracy theorists are right and that Kennedy was shot by either the CIA or the Federal police. About time they dusted those records off, and hired a sniper.

Mmmm. Not sure about 'all the people out on the streets are celebrating'.
Today, Monday, many are protesting about foreign interference.

Why is it bad. Maduro is head of a multi billion dollar drug running racket . He is a dictator who stole the last election. He has executed thousands of opponents. 8 million people have fled the country to get away from him. But Trump did a bad thing eh?

The BBC is currently posting about its investigations into "misleading videos" claiming to 'show people on the streets in Venezuela "celebrating" after the US seized Maduro'.

The BBC reports there are celebrations in OTHER Latin countries celebrated Maduro's deposition, e.g. Argentina and Chile but can find no visual evidence of large scale celebrations INSIDE Venezuela.

The BBC refers for example to a video shared on X by right wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who claims on X the video shows people on the streets in Caracas this weekend- viewed more than 2 million times. However by reverse searching the image and finding the original version the BBC has confirmed the video instead shows opposition protests in Caracas in JULY 2024 after Maduro's disputed presidential win.

The BBC reports that people inside Venezuela who do not support Maduro welcome him gone but fear what's going to happen "It doesn't guarantee us anything. So there is a bit of uncertainty. We don't know what the coming days will bring"

It reports Maduro's supporters have been rallying in the streets of Caracas demanding the US release their leader and the Caracas Mayor joining in the rally protesting against what she called Maduro's "kidnapping."

Now his is threatening Greenland

Well your second post Lemon Jam sorts that social media lie out, doesnt it?

*MaizieD's post is very much to the point. Trump is leaving a corrupt regime in on the deal that they only do his bidding.

De facto rule from Washington, and "unofficial" as in apparently the oil companies are to enforce it. How? Private soldiers would be my guess, so Trump can claim no US "boots on the ground", when in fact he will be funding armed involvement.

And above all, there is the principle. This time they might have seized a corrupt man, but a corrupt man by their definition. Next time (like with Noriega) they might be pulling the strings behind said corruption, or seize someone ie not corrupt - but they just want to get rid.

It's hard enough to abide by international peace agreements - but when someone is smashing right through them on the basis of Might is Right, where does that leave the world

There is no such thing as International Law. It is a term used by the globalist elite to cover that which they have agreed between themselves to fall back on when they want to get their own way. Who is going to enforce this so-called International Law? There are various orgs that pretend to administer this IL, when it suits. Sovereign borders are the most topical issues. European Commission, an unelected group of politicians who started as a trading discussion group, now morphed into a European Dictatorship, deciding on behalf of all European countries, that which is contrary to what the population ACTUALLY wants. WEF, same. WHO, same. Bilderberg Group, same. Fabian Society, same. Freemasons, same. I could go on. There may be elected politicians who join, but they are not voted in to these groups by ordinary Jill and Joe Blogs; they just agree between themselves what THEY, as a group, want. What the voters think after an election, is irrelevant. They all think that their opinion is infinitely superior to the rest of the population. If that's what you want as a pretend democracy, good luck!