Venezuela air attack

ArthurAskey

Why is it bad. Maduro is head of a multi billion dollar drug running racket . He is a dictator who stole the last election. He has executed thousands of opponents. 8 million people have fled the country to get away from him. But Trump did a bad thing eh?

What Trump did will not change anything for the people of Venezuela. The same murderous regime is still in power.

Trump isn't interested in the welfare of the Venezuelans.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

Why is it unforgivable?

Chazz01

There is no such thing as International Law. It is a term used by the globalist elite to cover that which they have agreed between themselves to fall back on when they want to get their own way. Who is going to enforce this so-called International Law? There are various orgs that pretend to administer this IL, when it suits. Sovereign borders are the most topical issues. European Commission, an unelected group of politicians who started as a trading discussion group, now morphed into a European Dictatorship, deciding on behalf of all European countries, that which is contrary to what the population ACTUALLY wants. WEF, same. WHO, same. Bilderberg Group, same. Fabian Society, same. Freemasons, same. I could go on. There may be elected politicians who join, but they are not voted in to these groups by ordinary Jill and Joe Blogs; they just agree between themselves what THEY, as a group, want. What the voters think after an election, is irrelevant. They all think that their opinion is infinitely superior to the rest of the population. If that's what you want as a pretend democracy, good luck!

If it does issue "non-binding advice" and after the fact, what good is that??

Chazz01 Alway interesting, but pretty irrelevant to reality, to meet a MAGA style conspiracy thinker. We live in an imperfect world: these organisations can only do their best: you have no alternative solutions whatsoever except in the realms of fantasy.

Will ICE hunt down any Venezuelans celebrating on the streets in the USA?

If people are still asking why it's unforgivable, after all the evidence and opinions given on the thread, then they need to do their own reading. Wyllow I suspect a few posters are bots or trolls.

Arthur Askey I thought you were describing Trump for a moment !!

Whilst I have no sympathy with Madura, the fact that the USA actually went onto another sovereign country and took the president and his wife prisoner should surely make the rest of the western world if not the USA itself deal with Donald Trump. He seems to think that being the president gives him the right to just dream up more schemes to improve the wealth of D Trump, to be entitled to just decide he wants someone elses country and he can have it, mostly because they have oil that he wants and of course he hopes to get all the minerals and so forth too. I recently visited Greenland and can definitely say that no one I spoke to wants him or any of the usa taking over their land.

Do you remember your Animal Farm ? Well Trumps little piggy eyes are certainly looking round to see what else he can take. He obviously thinks that "some animals are more equal than others" with himself as the one with the most entitlement to things.

He has become more irrational and self serving, and it is time that he was told that just wanting something does not give him the right to take things, and his bully boy statements will not be allowed to go ahead.

For those justifying Trump's act of war on Venezuela should look at this posted by the wife of one of Trump's advisers. We should all be concerned.
x.com/KatieMiller/status/2007541679293944266

Russia, along with the rest of the world is weighing up Trump's actions in Venezuela. Fascinating to hear their views as Putin and Madura have been close allies:

"Still, Russia’s loss of Venezuela carries several tangible costs for Moscow. If a US-friendly government were to emerge in Caracas, American military and defence specialists could gain access to large parts of the Venezuelan armed forces’ arsenal, including advanced Russian-made systems supplied over the past decade. Those include S-300VM air-defence systems delivered in 2013, as well as an undisclosed number of Pantsir and Buk-M2 systems transferred in late 2025.

Moscow has also extended billions of dollars in loans to Venezuela, much of which it is now unlikely ever to be recovered.

A more pressing concern for Moscow, however, is oil: US access to Venezuela’s vast reserves could push global prices lower, threatening one of Russia’s most important sources of income.
“If our American ‘partners’ gain access to Venezuela’s oilfields, more than half of the world’s oil reserves will end up under their control,” wrote Oleg Deripaska, a powerful Russian billionaire industrialist, on Telegram. “And it appears their plan will be to ensure that the price of our oil does not rise above $50 a barrel.”

Still, some in Moscow see room for a bleak kind of optimism. Trump’s kidnapping of Maduro, they argue, could deal a final blow to the rules-based international order and usher in a more nakedly 19th-century-style world – one in which power, rather than law, shapes outcomes and the globe is divided into rival spheres of influence, a model long championed by Russia.
“Team Trump is tough and cynical in advancing its country’s interests,” Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s former president and one of its most hawkish voices, wrote approvingly. “Removing Maduro had nothing to do with drugs – only oil, and they openly admit this. The law of the strongest is clearly more powerful than ordinary justice.”

Might weighing up might.....

The US invaded Venezuela and captured Maduro because he was selling cheap oil to China and to put an end to Russia ‘laundering’ their oil through Caracas. It’s not about Trump ‘stealing’ oil.

Flickl 18.16 "The US invaded Venezuela and captured Maduro because he was selling cheap oil to China and to put an end to Russia ‘laundering’ their oil through Caracas. It’s not about Trump ‘stealing’ oil".

So Trump himself wants to control Venezuela's oil. Oleg Deripaska, a powerful Russian billionaire industrialist, seems to agree when he posted on Telegram:

“If our American ‘partners’ gain access to Venezuela’s oilfields, more than half of the world’s oil reserves will end up under their control”.

Flick1

The US invaded Venezuela and captured Maduro because he was selling cheap oil to China and to put an end to Russia ‘laundering’ their oil through Caracas. It’s not about Trump ‘stealing’ oil.

Venezuela under Maduro was producing just 1% of global oil well below its potential, that isn’t going to make much difference to anyone. We might have expected China to protest but it’s getting all the oil it wants from Russia ignoring world opinion of Putin, they are probably keeping a low profile because the Panama Canal is Chinese controlled, another potential target for Trump.

America is understood to be the largest oil producer in the world but thats light crude oil. It’s still dependent on oil imports therefore.

According to Sky News Venezuela however has the largest oil RESERVES in the world so access for the US is of huge potential benefit.

Surely an even bigger huge potential benefit for the good people of Venezuela? I understand it’s a poor country. Makes no sense.

China gets it's oil from a lot of different countries. David is correct in that it's biggest supplier is Russia, it takes about 47% of it's oil but it also takes 68% of Venezuela's oil that it sells at a heavily discounted price to China. Venezuela has the largest reserves in the world and China will be most unhappy to see that potential supply under the control of the US. IMO These issues are not about "now" they are about who controls long term access to important world resources.

ronib

Surely an even bigger huge potential benefit for the good people of Venezuela? I understand it’s a poor country. Makes no sense.

Can you honestly see the people in Venezuela benefitting in any way from future increased oil sales?

The old regime is still in place. The only people I can see benefitting is them.

Did you listen to Trumps speech at all ? Thats all he talked about was oil and how much money it would bring to the USA.
Very little was spoken about the plight of the Venezualan people . He doesn’t care about that at all.

He used the term ‘kick ass’ in his speech I think. I think Rubio did too (?). I couldn’t believe that the so called leader of the free world could speak like that. What sort of level has America descended to?

ronib

Surely an even bigger huge potential benefit for the good people of Venezuela? I understand it’s a poor country. Makes no sense.

I'm willing to bet that somehow Trump will see more of the oil profits than the people of Venezuela.

Frankly, unless the president of Venezuela was ordering his own troops to attack the USA it’s really not Trump nor USA’s business what’s happening in countries other than theirs.

Trump simply cannot help himself!

I don’t think however corrupt the Venezuelan president is kidnapping him and locking him up in New York simply cannot be justified.

Trump is a menace, out of control and a threat to all countries

Elegran. Trump is 79 years old. No way will oil extraction from Venezuela have a quick turnaround. How exactly can Trump and his family personally gain from it? Surely Shell and other major oil companies will want to see a huge profit from drilling?

Trump and his family have been making money out of lots of things since his first presidency. Supposedly every time his SIL is supposed to be dealing with diplomatic issues he quickly turns the conversation round to trade deals.

madeleine45

Whilst I have no sympathy with Madura, the fact that the USA actually went onto another sovereign country and took the president and his wife prisoner should surely make the rest of the western world if not the USA itself deal with Donald Trump. He seems to think that being the president gives him the right to just dream up more schemes to improve the wealth of D Trump, to be entitled to just decide he wants someone elses country and he can have it, mostly because they have oil that he wants and of course he hopes to get all the minerals and so forth too. I recently visited Greenland and can definitely say that no one I spoke to wants him or any of the usa taking over their land.

Do you remember your Animal Farm ? Well Trumps little piggy eyes are certainly looking round to see what else he can take. He obviously thinks that "some animals are more equal than others" with himself as the one with the most entitlement to things.

He has become more irrational and self serving, and it is time that he was told that just wanting something does not give him the right to take things, and his bully boy statements will not be allowed to go ahead.

I absolutely agree!

Lemonjam - has to be better than China or Russia, I guess.