Venezuela air attack

Well talking nicely to Maduro wasn’t going to cut it.
Well done President Trump.

What do you suggest then Grandmabetty? Elections didn't work...

very true Farzanah

Only time will tell if this is a move for good for the citizens of Venezuela.

I doubt anyone thinks Maduro is a good leader but I don't think the US should be arresting him and taking him out of the country. It's surely against international law and neither has Trump had the agreement of Congress.

GrannyGravy13

Only time will tell if this is a move for good for the citizens of Venezuela.

The point is that whether or not the move benefits the Venezuelan people, (I suspect it will benefit Trump more) - the question we need to ask is, what happens if a popular government is destroyed by a foreign mighty authoritarian leader, because he doesn’t like it?

Rules must apply in all cases.

It's grandmabatty, by the way, Dorisdodar. It is not Trumps call to remove a sitting president of another country.

fancythat

petra

ronib

I am fascinated by the idea that Venezuela has drug cartels which had put in place the newly deposed president. Strange form of democracy?
Also Trump has taken on the drug barons as a way of keeping illegal drugs out of his country. What is wrong with that?

The majority of drugs coming through Venezuela come to Europe. They don’t produce drugs.

I heard this morning[tv] lots of drugs grown on venezuela/columbian border.

The vast majority of drugs coming across that border are man made: Fentanyl. The coca plant ( cocaine) is grown all over Columbia.

Indeed Whitewave.
I wonder if people consider the UK to be immune?

Farzanah

As for trying to prevent drugs entering a country, because of a pervasive drug problem, it should be considered why a country develops this problem in the first place.
It usually suggests socioeconomic distress and inequality.

Not so.
The richer countries of the world are the ones keeping this industry going.
Having said that, it’s irrelevant because we are never going to stop it.

Is the US's interference in foreign countries anything new though? They were very instrumental in deposing Allende back in the '70s because he was deemed too left wing. Then Chile really suffered under Pinochet's military junta. So much of central and south America either veers to the extreme right or left, both equally awful for the people of those countries. Much of the population is starving, whilst the powers that be live high on the hog. The mismanagement of economies from countries that have a wealth of natural resources from their successive extreme governments have left so many as basket cases. Not that I think an American president should take it upon himself to interfere in another country's internal affairs.

This is yet another diversion tactic. In New York he has ignored
Court decisions and is now being subject to Asset Seizure,
Trump Tower among them. He has been unable to secure
Bond on his property empire because of overestimating
their worth, no one wants to touch him, without Bond he
cannot appeal the Court decisions.
This week 47 members of Congress have passed a resolution
demanding his resignation, this includes some Rebulicans.
He refused some military demands untill 3 Generals
swore alleigence to him, yiikes! Divergence tactics in play?

It's not about the drugs.

www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-ignores-trump-pardoning-honduran-drug-trafficker-while-accusing-dems-supporting

Of course it isn't about drugs. Trump doesn't give a flying fig about drugs. Even if it was, why not work with others countries or the opposition in Venezuela? It's a dead cat to distract from what's going on at home

Farzanah

Indeed Whitewave.
I wonder if people consider the UK to be immune?

Exactly!

Trump has already made it clear that he thinks the UK government is too left wing (ha, ha … if only).

He’s criticised our democratically elected mayor of London in the most despicable terms.

He’s referred to our capital city a hell hole being over run by immigrants, Sharia law and no-go areas.

He believes we no longer have freedom of speech in the UK.

How long before he decides it’s time for ‘regime change’ in the UK … and sees it as his role to facilitate it?

How does that sit with some?

The UK needs to close down American military bases on British soil. We're already a target for anti-American factions and now even more so.

We have to shake off the image of being a convenient geographical launch-site for the US, forever at the beck and call of the White House.

LizzieDrip

Farzanah

Indeed Whitewave.
I wonder if people consider the UK to be immune?

Exactly!

Trump has already made it clear that he thinks the UK government is too left wing (ha, ha … if only).

He’s criticised our democratically elected mayor of London in the most despicable terms.

He’s referred to our capital city a hell hole being over run by immigrants, Sharia law and no-go areas.

He believes we no longer have freedom of speech in the UK.

How long before he decides it’s time for ‘regime change’ in the UK … and sees it as his role to facilitate it?

How does that sit with some?

1. The UK Government IS too left wing.
2. Our capital city IS being overrun by immigrants, as is our 2nd city, Birmingham, together with Leicester and Bradford.
3. We don't have freedom of speech in the UK - as soon as you express concern about immigration, you are labelled "racist".
4. It IS time for regime change in the UK.

I am not awake enough to fully participate in this conversation yet. I'll be back later after I fully research what is going on so I can participate in a conversation.

I am interested to see how someone can say well done Trump in this scenario, because at its surface it seems has has moved without Congress and is participating in human rights violations.

ronib

Well talking nicely to Maduro wasn’t going to cut it.
Well done President Trump.

I too am interested in your well done Trump sentence.

Do you think any Country can take away the Leader of any Country, for any reason?

Well ask Tony Blair about regime change? fancythat. Perhaps he’s advising Trump just now?

MaizieD

I wish the US military would just refuse to obey him.

Then what a load of court martials there would be!

A sufficiently high-ranking officer can attempt to dissuade his commander-in-chief (president or monarch) from a course of action, but unless the order directly contradicts the Geneva convention for warfare, and /or a direct ruling from the International Court in the Hague, he or she cannot just disobey a given order.

And not being either a civil or military lawyer, I am in doubt as to whether even if you can prove the Geneva convention forbids the course of action, it is wise or possible to say no.

After all, it depends entirely on the c-in-c if you can get away with declining to obey.

If the c-in-c is Putin, obviously you can't, and the way Trump is heading, I doubt he will put up with officers disobeying him either.

They could, of course, resign their commissions.

Opal, we in Britain had the opportunity to effect a " regime change", recently, and we are due another in a few years. We call them elections.

Ronib if you are referring to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown they had a previous agreement.
As for your statement, ‘well done Trump’ words fail. He is a deranged and dangerous man.
It seems to be universally accepted that another world war is getting terrifyingly closer which we will be dragged into.
How do you feel about that?

Chocolatelovinggran

Opal, we in Britain had the opportunity to effect a " regime change", recently, and we are due another in a few years. We call them elections.

Precisely 👏👏👏

nanna8

The similarities with Putin are increasing every day. No wonder they ‘get’ each other.

Well we all know that Putin is Trumps hero.
All Trump knows is hate and division