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Is it wrong to identify as something you aren’t?

(265 Posts)
Mollygo Mon 05-Jan-26 18:54:58

Jonathan Carley has upset people by dishonestly identifying as Rear Admiral and wearing apparel to support his claims.

He’s been arrested and fined.

The judge said your actions totally disrespected all those who have fought
and those legally entitled to claim the title.

Is there a lesson here?

Cossy Mon 05-Jan-26 22:50:51

Has anyone seen the Film (based on a true story) “Catch me if you can” ?

Wyllow3 Mon 05-Jan-26 22:53:39

On BBC news at 10pm - it's not the first time he has done it, it's about 4, we saw footage of previous impersonations. Incredibly arrogant, and definitely a brain chip wrong somewhere.

Allira Mon 05-Jan-26 22:55:12

This man disrespects all those who like my uncle who risked their lives for their country.

Yes.

The thing is, he had the nerve to appear at all these occasions and others had suspected him for some time but he'd disappear quickly.

It is not just disrespectful to veterans, it brings the uniform into contempt.
(1)It shall not be lawful for any person not serving in Her Majesty’s Military Forces to wear without Her Majesty’s permission the uniform of any of those forces, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinctive marks of any such uniform:
Uniforms Act 1894

The sword was a ceremonial one.
I haven't seen a picture of the sword but it was described as "a massive sword".
A Royal Navy sword is long but narrow.

Oreo Mon 05-Jan-26 22:59:41

I think the bystander may have never seen a sword before Allira and massive could just mean long.
Getting into the world of double entendres here now 🙈🤭

Cossy Mon 05-Jan-26 23:00:29

Wyllow3

On BBC news at 10pm - it's not the first time he has done it, it's about 4, we saw footage of previous impersonations. Incredibly arrogant, and definitely a brain chip wrong somewhere.

Clearly not what most of us would consider “normal”

Cossy Mon 05-Jan-26 23:00:46

Oreo

I think the bystander may have never seen a sword before Allira and massive could just mean long.
Getting into the world of double entendres here now 🙈🤭

😂😂😂😂😂

Oreo Mon 05-Jan-26 23:00:47

It’s amazing what you can buy online isn’t it? Copies of uniforms, medals and swords.

Allira Mon 05-Jan-26 23:05:04

Oreo

I think the bystander may have never seen a sword before Allira and massive could just mean long.
Getting into the world of double entendres here now 🙈🤭

No, I sure the photographer would know what a Royal Navy sword looks like as it made him him immediately suspicious.

He had a massive sword on him and that is what really stuck out because we'd never seen it before," explained photographer Tony Mottram, who was taking pictures at the seaside resort's annual event in 2024 when he first spotted Carley.

He said Carley's medals, sword and the fact he was on his own made people wary.

"He kept in the background, but was suspicious because of that," said the 63-year-old who was in the Territorial Army and worked for the Royal Air Force.

Allira Mon 05-Jan-26 23:05:41

Excuse typos!

Oreo Mon 05-Jan-26 23:09:01

That chap had never seen a naval sword tho had he? Neither have I come to that.Not that it matters.

CabbageWars13 Mon 05-Jan-26 23:11:17

It's the Walter Mitty syndrome, I suppose.

He wanted to be someone or something he's not but foolishly took it too damn far and made his fantasy public.

Allira Mon 05-Jan-26 23:28:10

Oreo

That chap had never seen a naval sword tho had he? Neither have I come to that.Not that it matters.

Yes, it was quite probable he had if he was a photographer at such events, being a member of the TA and working for the RAF. Others noticed the different sword and unusual display of medals too.
Any RN veteran would recognise a Naval sword even if they had not been officer rank themselves.

theworriedwell Tue 06-Jan-26 08:16:58

Cossy

Has anyone seen the Film (based on a true story) “Catch me if you can” ?

That was different, he put people's lives at risk. A non pilot flying a plane is a whole different ballgame to dressing up for a parade.

Maremia Tue 06-Jan-26 08:37:48

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

eazybee Tue 06-Jan-26 08:38:49

There was a child at the local comprehensive a few years ago who identified as a cat, insisted on curling up on the floor or chair, miaowed in response to questions and was tolerated for some time.
I didn't believe it until I was told by a pupil in her class, a neighbour, who who clearly found her an attention-seeker, a pest and time-waster.
I believe her parents removed her and home-educated her.

Mollygo Tue 06-Jan-26 10:24:58

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

🤣🤣🤣
In the words of a well known poster,
Evidence?

Allira Tue 06-Jan-26 10:29:56

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

But we're not disrespecting Forces veterans, breaking the law and self-aggrandising in public (is that a word?).

GrannyGravy13 Tue 06-Jan-26 10:42:01

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

You are not speaking for all GN Members/posters, many of us myself included have met in real life, and made friendships which exist outside of this forum.

RosiesMawagain Tue 06-Jan-26 10:51:18

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

Speak for yourself- I am never less than honest and the lovely Grans I have met likewise.

Allsorts Tue 06-Jan-26 10:53:21

Of course its wrong its deception.

M0nica Tue 06-Jan-26 12:11:34

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

You are not speaking for all GN Members/posters, many of us myself included have met in real life, and made friendships which exist outside of this forum.

I do not think that is what Maremia is saying and I agree with her.

Mollygo Tue 06-Jan-26 12:40:04

Thats OK M0nica and Maremia.
A lot of people agree with the right to deceive if it suits their purpose.
It’s wrong if it is being used for fraudulent purposes:
fraudulent
unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities

It’s doubly wrong if it hurts someone or has the potential to hurt someone.
But he probably thought dressing up as and acting in the way he thought his fantasy would do wouldn’t hurt any one.
There’s an increasing number of men think like that.

ferry23 Tue 06-Jan-26 13:38:16

I wish there were sanctions for those who identify as "good drivers".

Then there might be a lot less accidents.

AmberGran Tue 06-Jan-26 13:49:20

M0nica

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

You are not speaking for all GN Members/posters, many of us myself included have met in real life, and made friendships which exist outside of this forum.

I do not think that is what Maremia is saying and I agree with her.

I thought Maremia was just saying that we all post under names that we would not be known as in real life??? Or most of use, anyway.

Elegran Tue 06-Jan-26 14:42:20

Maremia

Sorry GNs but just have to respectfully point out, that none of US are who we say we are. hmm

Our usernames make us anonymous, but most of us are honest in our opinions and in the little we reveal about our lives. Not revealing every detail is different from not being who we say we are - it is a survival mechanism on the internet, where being too open makes you vulnerable to nasties.

I still remember Phoenix posting something that identified the new job she had just landed - and the &%$£@ who copied, printed, and sent to the new boss a throwaway remark Phoenix had said about him (not identifying him or the job) after her interview. The &%$£@ could have poisoned the work relationship, if the boss hadn't torn the letter up.