Fleet of heavily armed US military planes land in England

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

Europe knows that combined we make a pretty solid block to Russia

You dont sound convinced.

Plus what about threats to the Uk from elsewhere?

I’m not sure what you mean.

Am I convinced that the USA can no longer be relied upon? - yes

Am I convinced that Europe as a defensive block could defend itself against Russia? - yes. It wouldn’t be pretty, but what war is?

Threats to U.K. from elsewhere? You need to be more specific. Hopefully Europe has got over its forever war with each other. The EU has done a grand job of ensuring that.
Who else?

No that's down to Nato. Not Europe, remember Kosovo.

fancythat

^Oreo

Trump is unlikely to attack Greenland but he may just move more and more military there instead.^

Why do you think he is unlikely to "attack", whatever that can mean nowadays.

Trump blusters a lot, in the end I think they will come to some arrangement with Denmark.

Oreo

fancythat

^Oreo

Trump is unlikely to attack Greenland but he may just move more and more military there instead.^

Why do you think he is unlikely to "attack", whatever that can mean nowadays.

Trump blusters a lot, in the end I think they will come to some arrangement with Denmark.

Mexico and Columbia have also been mentioned both prime drug sources the same applies to them, Trump is blustering but what he really wants is both governments to get serious about drug trafficking.
With his current activity there is no doubt he will take direct action if they don’t cooperate, international law or not.

Trump makes my skin itch. I feel very uncomfortable with him as President.

Some people think he is gung-ho, brave and gets things done - I am not sure it is all for the greater good.

But then what do I know?

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

Europe knows that combined we make a pretty solid block to Russia

You dont sound convinced.

Plus what about threats to the Uk from elsewhere?

I’m not sure what you mean.

Am I convinced that the USA can no longer be relied upon? - yes

Am I convinced that Europe as a defensive block could defend itself against Russia? - yes. It wouldn’t be pretty, but what war is?

Threats to U.K. from elsewhere? You need to be more specific. Hopefully Europe has got over its forever war with each other. The EU has done a grand job of ensuring that.
Who else?

No that's down to Nato. Not Europe, remember Kosovo.

Nato includes the USA, which presumably would expect to be represented in Nato discussions on working together to defend Greenland against attack or infiltration by an aggressor. Since it is the the president of the USA who has been exercising his tonsils about how the US needs to own Greenland "for its security", this would be an impossible situation. Europe needs to work together on decisions regarding co-operation should a serious threat appear and Nato unity be in danger.

Oreo

fancythat

^Oreo

Trump is unlikely to attack Greenland but he may just move more and more military there instead.^

Why do you think he is unlikely to "attack", whatever that can mean nowadays.

Trump blusters a lot, in the end I think they will come to some arrangement with Denmark.

That is likely to have a very similar end result to a US military take-over. Do you think Trump would be satisfied with total access to and use of the area without wanting control of the resources and profits as well? He doesn't have enough self-control for that - he has demonstrated that amply in the US.

Trump blusters a lot, in the end I think they will come to some arrangement with Denmark.

There are those in the diplomatic community who are beginning to think that bluff and bluster is now something more serious and that, after the Venezuela take over, he thinks he is “on a roll” and might just want to push things to the wire.

Why does USA always have to call the tunes!???????

Purplepixie

Why does USA always have to call the tunes!???????

Because they have the power.

But reading it would seem that the 3 great powers are content to carve up the world into 3 spheres of influence and all three operating revanchist policies, but how long this can continue without a clash between them is open to debate. Trump is clearly not keeping to his sphere as Gaza, Iran, Africa bear witness.

They call the tunes because they have more money than anyone else! They are not just a partner in NATO - they are NATO and without their contribution in terms of money and manpower, NATO would struggle both financially and, more importantly, strategically. There is no protocol for what happens if one member nation annexes another member nation. I have visions of Putin sitting with his hands folded in his lap, quietly waiting for NATO to collapse. I’m deeply saddened by what is happening at the moment.

Trumps should not be given a State Visit, he is no friend of ours but I think America is. It has been brainwashed by Trump and his equally awful right hand men. Everything passes and he will too, there will start to be a backlash over his frenetic rants talking nonsense. He does have some good ideas, but rushes in trailing mayhem. Act first, think later. This will see him out,'

Allsorts

Trumps should not be given a State Visit, he is no friend of ours but I think America is. It has been brainwashed by Trump and his equally awful right hand men. Everything passes and he will too, there will start to be a backlash over his frenetic rants talking nonsense. He does have some good ideas, but rushes in trailing mayhem. Act first, think later. This will see him out,'

He's made it quite clear he dislikes the UK and everything about it so why he would want to come here is a mystery.

Is he taking the UK? Maybe thinking the war of independence could go further ? Wouldn’t be totally surprised.

There is no scenario where NATO could take action against the US, far too much technology relies on US input. We could of course ask China to help us liberate Greenland

David49

There is no scenario where NATO could take action against the US, far too much technology relies on US input. We could of course ask China to help us liberate Greenland

Exactly, David49!

China has been after Greenland for a long time but have been thwarted by Washington. Only recently they were after building 3 airports but have backed off.

Who would we rather control Greenland? China? Russia?

I'm going with USA. This is not just about oil, it's about security.

How about letting the Greenlanders decide? It is after all their country!

At present they seem rather sensibly to be content with the status quo which means that they are under the NATO umbrella, and given the fuss Trump is making over security, Greenland can be confident that the USA as part of NATO will defend them.

I see the USA is bombing bits of Syria - isis they say. Who asked them to do that? Syria?

The USA doesn’t have to stay part of NATO if it stops them from achieving its territorial and financial objectives.
A sobering thought. wwm2.

REKA

David49

There is no scenario where NATO could take action against the US, far too much technology relies on US input. We could of course ask China to help us liberate Greenland

Exactly, David49!

China has been after Greenland for a long time but have been thwarted by Washington. Only recently they were after building 3 airports but have backed off.

Who would we rather control Greenland? China? Russia?

I'm going with USA. This is not just about oil, it's about security.

You and David think the Greenlanders, an Inuit tribe should just be kicked aside . They overwhelmingly do not want any part of Trump and his plans for invasion.
There is no proof that China has designs on Greenland. That is pure TRUMPSPEAK or better yet MILLERSPEAK.
Shame on you both .

Purplepixie

Why does USA always have to call the tunes!???????

I'm now wishing again that I'd bought a copy of the book about the CIA I read quite some time ago - as it was rather a horrifying toll of countries that America has decided to do a change of government on since around World War 2 and used the CIA towards those purposes.

America is concerned with America - and blow everyone else - was very much the message of the book. Am guessing they are likely to be even more like that - now their currency isnt so much THE thing for world trading purposes as it once was and they're in rather a lot of trouble as a country from what I can gather.

Syracute

REKA

David49

There is no scenario where NATO could take action against the US, far too much technology relies on US input. We could of course ask China to help us liberate Greenland

Exactly, David49!

China has been after Greenland for a long time but have been thwarted by Washington. Only recently they were after building 3 airports but have backed off.

Who would we rather control Greenland? China? Russia?

I'm going with USA. This is not just about oil, it's about security.

You and David think the Greenlanders, an Inuit tribe should just be kicked aside . They overwhelmingly do not want any part of Trump and his plans for invasion.
There is no proof that China has designs on Greenland. That is pure TRUMPSPEAK or better yet MILLERSPEAK.
Shame on you both .

Yes exactly this

“You and David think the Greenlanders, an Inuit tribe should just be kicked aside . They overwhelmingly do not want any part of Trump and his plans for invasion.
There is no proof that China has designs on Greenland. That is pure TRUMPSPEAK or better yet MILLERSPEAK.
Shame on you both .”

China has been bidding for construction projects and mining rights for many years , so far they have been denied. The US not want China to be cozying up to a future independant Greenland, lending them money and becoming dominant as they are in other developing countries.
It is not in UK interest for Greenland to be dominated in that way.

A spurious argument david

China bids all over the world - we have China projects in the U.K.

Syracute

REKA

David49

There is no scenario where NATO could take action against the US, far too much technology relies on US input. We could of course ask China to help us liberate Greenland

Exactly, David49!

China has been after Greenland for a long time but have been thwarted by Washington. Only recently they were after building 3 airports but have backed off.

Who would we rather control Greenland? China? Russia?

I'm going with USA. This is not just about oil, it's about security.

You and David think the Greenlanders, an Inuit tribe should just be kicked aside . They overwhelmingly do not want any part of Trump and his plans for invasion.
There is no proof that China has designs on Greenland. That is pure TRUMPSPEAK or better yet MILLERSPEAK.
Shame on you both .

That’s a silly comment as those posters didn’t say that at all.
Would it be too much to expect posters to read comments properly.

Whitewavemark2

A spurious argument david

China bids all over the world - we have China projects in the U.K.

Do you not realise what a strategic island Greenland is?