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Rosie51

And just for Trump's education, the UK has postal voting and there has been no evidence of widespread fraud surrounding it. Obviously there will have been some misuse of postal voting but it has never been significant and certainly not influential on the outcome.

Reform want to removed postal voting for many people. From the 2024 election contract:

Commence Reform of the Postal Voting System

^Postal voting has allowed electoral fraud. We will stop postal voting except for the elderly, disabled or those who can’t leave their homes.^

Agree with that. Even a small amount of fraud can alter results, especially if a small win, so out with it apart from exceptions noted.

I have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.
No doubt in the not too distant future people will be clamouring for a vote on their phones.😬

Oreo

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Rosie51

And just for Trump's education, the UK has postal voting and there has been no evidence of widespread fraud surrounding it. Obviously there will have been some misuse of postal voting but it has never been significant and certainly not influential on the outcome.

Reform want to removed postal voting for many people. From the 2024 election contract:

Commence Reform of the Postal Voting System

^Postal voting has allowed electoral fraud. We will stop postal voting except for the elderly, disabled or those who can’t leave their homes.^

Agree with that. Even a small amount of fraud can alter results, especially if a small win, so out with it apart from exceptions noted.

I have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.
No doubt in the not too distant future people will be clamouring for a vote on their phones.😬

We have postal votes because we would often be away on voting day. If the postal vote arrived before we left, we could complete and send it so knew our vote would be counted.

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Whoever is in charge of the country after the next election will have to do more to stop the boats than the Conservatives or Labour as it’s been pathetic so far.

Mind you so many things have been pathetic by both this government and the last that one more thing hardly seems to matter.

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

I don't think postal voting is abused as much as some claim so investigating cases and charging those suspected of fraud would be better.

I don't agree with voting by mobile phone.

Postal voting in Britain was originally introduced as a temporary war time measure. Has since been introduced by many countries and has a rapidly increasing share of vote. Parties consider whether postal voting results in their favour or not.

Oxford University carried out some research- can google "Who Votes by Post? Understanding the Drivers of Postal Voting in the 2019 British General Election" academic.oup.com if anyone interested. Some interesting reasons therein why some party leaders like Farage and Trump would prefer to stop postal votes...

Everyone is entitled to their own views. The Electoral Commission website explains the stages of counting the in person and postal votes - ie the same. So the 2 systems are neither less or more secure than the other- that's a fallacy promoted by the parties who feel the demise of postal voting will be in their favour (see research outcomes if you chose).

I am glad for DAR posts about some posters use of the word about he vile term illegals. That was a beautiful post.

Allegations of fraud forever weaponised- just read:

The Trump administration announced it is suspending $129m in federal benefit payments to Minnesota amid allegations of “widespread fraud” in the state. The USDA’s announcement coincides with a federal ruling that the Trump administration cannot block federal money for childcare subsidies and other programs aimed at supporting low-income families with children from reaching five Democratic-led states, including Minnesota.

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.

We have mail in voting here in Colorado since 2013. The only voter fraud has come from Republicans. It is a completely secure process that I can track my ballot every step of the way, via email, text or on my logged on voter account.

I have toured the ballot processing center twice during elections. I have seen the machine that processes the ballots and also seen the process they use to verify signatures are valid.

We have to prove we are citizens when we register to vote through our Department of Motor Vehicles where we have to show our birth certificate, proof of address and SSN.

All I am saying is that one shouldn't immediately write off mail in ballots. It can work, and does.

And yes, a Trump officials have stopped funding for 5 Democratic states. This stops funding for food and schools for children.

Rosie51

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.

Don’t worry as they are unlikely to stop a postal vote.
But you’re very wrong about having no checks at the ballot stations, even more than ever now that we have to produce our photo, passports or similar.

I won’t be a bit surprised to know that Trump has introduced Marshall Law.

Whitewavemark2

I won’t be a bit surprised to know that Trump has introduced Marshall Law.

Nothing Trump might do would surprise me. Infuriate and exasperate me. But no surprises.

Martial law?

Lathyrus3

Martial law?

Yes, I do think it is on the cards, or at least something very similar.

I can quite see Trump taking the law into his own hands by claiming insurrection, if the protests grow.

He is a dangerous man.
Very dangerous.

My son and DIL use postal voting as they are required to work abroad with little notice.
I think that the rhetoric of " postal vote fraud" is unproven.

Rosie51

Oreo

Yes I know why people prefer the postal voting but presumably whoever uses it now used to always go and vote in the past.
Anyway I doubt it will be changed now but just hope it won’t come to a mobile phone vote.

Oreo have my doubts about postal voting unless the voter really is housebound for any reason, then it’s acceptable.The system used to work very well when a voter walked into a centre, there could be zilch voter fraud that way.

My husband worked away from home, you think it acceptable that he would be denied a vote because he couldn't vote in person at some elections? In person voting is not above fraud, nobody checks your identity when you present at the voting station, they accept your word that you're who you say you are.
There have been a few accusations of in person voter fraud reported, but like postal fraud they're rare and do not affect the final result.

HM Forces and their spouses too are entitled to a postal vote.

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Rosie51

And just for Trump's education, the UK has postal voting and there has been no evidence of widespread fraud surrounding it. Obviously there will have been some misuse of postal voting but it has never been significant and certainly not influential on the outcome.

Reform want to removed postal voting for many people. From the 2024 election contract:

Commence Reform of the Postal Voting System

^Postal voting has allowed electoral fraud. We will stop postal voting except for the elderly, disabled or those who can’t leave their homes.^

Then we must hope that Reform is never in a position to try and implement this. Postal voting was first introduced, at least in part, to allow people who work away from home to cast their vote. Reform would remove that right? Perhaps they'd like to remove the right to have a proxy cast your vote too?
Total rubbish about electoral fraud, yes it exists but in such a minuscule way that does not have a smidgeon of effect on the outcome.

Rosie51
Good post.

The benefits of postal voting for many in the UK far outweigh the tiny possibility of fraudulent postal votes skewing the result.

Oreo

Whoever is in charge of the country after the next election will have to do more to stop the boats than the Conservatives or Labour as it’s been pathetic so far.

So what do you think they should be doing?

Follow the law
Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't.
Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not

Maybe that needs directing to Trump.

Actually the real term for the many thousands arriving here in small boats is more correctly economic migrants as that’s what so many are, not asylum seekers

No, Oreo, that is not the correct term. You are entitled to seek asylum wherever you want.

StoneofDestiny

*Follow the law*
Do not hand pick the laws you want to abide by and disobey the ones you don't.
Do not think you are untouchable. Because, you are not

Maybe that needs directing to Trump.

After all President Trump is a convicted felon.

I absolutely hope he gets punished to the fullest extent of the law someday. He has not been because he was elected President.
He can not say in an interview with NYT that he doesn’t pay attention to International law because he can do what he wants.
He admitted it.
He gets away with too much and he has not because valid value system aside from money. That’s apparent in all his speeches.
So Stone of Destiny it will catch up with him because he has no interest in following the law ?

Trump is the monkey but it is the organ grinders I fear. The people behind him who pump him full of praise whilst bending his ear.