Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Lathyrus3

Actually Cossy as a (somewhat distant) relative of Edith Cavell, I want to object to you using her life as a comparison with the protest methods evidenced here.

Edith Cavell, as a nurse, treated both German and British patients without prejudice and with the same care. Her motive in helping prisoners escape was to save their lives. At no point was she a “protestor” in the way she behaved. Indeed she was noted by the Germans for her dignity and respect for them as human beings, even when facing death.

Personally I think the shooting was totally wrong.

But Edith Cavell would not have been associated with this type of protest in any way, and I do not think you should use her as an example.

( incidentally her name is pronounced to rhyme with gravel, in case anyone is saying it as Ca vell)

It wasn’t me that mentioned Edith Cavell in the first instance? I pointed to suffragettes in my examples, someone else mentioned people by name, I replied and agreed.

Maremia

Only 27 weeks? And then they may go onto the sreets and bully and intimidated and murder citizens.

27 weeks is certainly an improvement on 6

Legitimate protest is not misguided but anyone involved should, I hope work out how to survive long enough to get home safely. If that means stepping out of a car when asked, so be it.
The officer involved had been injured in June 2025 when a car sped off somehow taking him along. So it’s not surprising that he wasn’t going to take any risks this time?

Oreo

A rude post to anyone who disagrees with you Cossy
I haven’t read a single comment that says the poor woman’s death was ‘justified’ as you claim.
The more pragmatic among us know that you don’t taunt and disobey an order from armed officers in the US ( or anywhere else for that matter) as it could end badly for you.That doesn’t mean it’s justified, just that’s the way it is.

My post was not “rude”, it was my opinion Oreo, there are posters on here who’ve stated very clearly “she should have done as she was told” If that sentence doesn’t imply “she deserved this” I really don’t know what does.

This woman lost her life, being shot to death, by over zealous men with guns, who know that what ever they do Trump will support them. Look back at the riots? Trump pardoned every single one of these people and has released some extremely dubious prisoners.

Trump could order public executions in the street, whilst people line dance and sing, some people would still not say anything Trump does or exists is wrong.

There’s ways of cracking down on illegal immigration, ICE in their current regime are not one of them.

I make no apology for sticking up for what’s right.

No she didn’t deserve to die. And protestors need to work out how to protest safely. There are ground rules. Follow them or take the consequences. Is it worth it?

We have an American president who tells people that there is no free speech in the UK and yet people on this forum are saying the woman was murdered because she should have had the sense to not protest against Trump and his henchmen (because they carried guns and had the backing of the president to use them). People died in the insurrection and yet Trump pardoned the people responsible. That says all I need to know about him and his administration and the way it works. So many double standards.

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

ronib

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

So it's her own fault she died?

Unbelievable.

MayBee70

We have an American president who tells people that there is no free speech in the UK and yet people on this forum are saying the woman was murdered because she should have had the sense to not protest against Trump and his henchmen (because they carried guns and had the backing of the president to use them). People died in the insurrection and yet Trump pardoned the people responsible. That says all I need to know about him and his administration and the way it works. So many double standards.

It's a conundrum, Maybee!

She was following the rules.
She was told to leave.
She started to leave.
She was shot dead.

ronib

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

Well it might seem that way ronib, if only it was that simple. I watched the video and one ICE officer was shouting for her to move on several times then another shouted for her to get out of the car. Conflicting instructions that caused her to move forwards in order to ‘move on’ then she was shot.
If you watch the vid you will see what I mean.

Yes it is unbelievable. Allira
She died. She didn’t follow basic instructions when confronted with an armed officer. Tragic. What does get out the car mean to you?

She was told to leave.
That was a basic instruction.
She was following it.
She was shot dead.

ronib

She should have had the sense to get out of the car when told to do so.

As we were not actually there and are relying on both second or even third hand reports and somewhat dubious videos, we do not actually know the true facts.

I’ve so heard/seen,

She was told to move her car
She was told to get out of her car
She was told to drive away
Her wife insulted and taunted ICE officers
She tried to run over ICE officers
The ICE officer had previously been injured by a driving car
The ICE officer was injured
The ICE officer was not injured

Frankly, the only thing I truly believe is that this woman should not have been shot and killed.

Absolutely, Cossy.

Not Cossy

Yes, I think it was Cossy who posted.

Frankly, the only thing I truly believe is that this woman should not have been shot and killed. 👍

With you all the way on that Allira.

Yes Cossy posted. You posted. Doesn’t matter how many people post - the base line is that protesters need to know how to keep themselves safe from being shot when refusing to comply with an order by an armed operative.

Oh yes, I see Cossy. My apologies for attributing to you the comparison of Edith Cavell to the type of protest here.

I would wish that this false claim had not been repeated but I can see it was part of a whole that you reposted.

Perhaps the original poster would return and retract the false comparison she has made. Although Edith is long dead I believe it is important that her integrity of character should be maintained and not used in this way.

ronib

Yes Cossy posted. You posted. Doesn’t matter how many people post - the base line is that protesters need to know how to keep themselves safe from being shot when refusing to comply with an order by an armed operative.

Officers need to know that only one officer should issue very clear instructions, and that shooting somebody in the face is a final resort, not an immediate trigger happy reaction to unclear instructions. It cuts both ways.

But was it unclear Casdon? Rather the two women in the car gave the impression that they were not obliged in any way to comply with orders.

But and this is a very big 'but',
she was following the order to leave.

ronib

Yes Cossy posted. You posted. Doesn’t matter how many people post - the base line is that protesters need to know how to keep themselves safe from being shot when refusing to comply with an order by an armed operative.

Now tell me why this doesn’t happen in the UK .