Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Yes ronib, it was unclear - have you watched the footage? There are protests all over the USA today about the officer response.
edition.cnn.com/2026/01/11/us/ice-protests-shootings-minneapolis-immigration-hnk

I know that there have been fake AI versions online of what actually happened. Created with the intention of convincing viewers that ICE was innocent.
Perhaps that is what is causing the 'discussion' here?

Maremia

But and this is a very big 'but',
she was following the order to leave.

It seemed so.

Maremia

I know that there have been fake AI versions online of what actually happened. Created with the intention of convincing viewers that ICE was innocent.
Perhaps that is what is causing the 'discussion' here?

This is why I’m only believing the original footage that was shown straight away before it was likely to be AI.

MayBee70

Maremia

I know that there have been fake AI versions online of what actually happened. Created with the intention of convincing viewers that ICE was innocent.
Perhaps that is what is causing the 'discussion' here?

This is why I’m only believing the original footage that was shown straight away before it was likely to be AI.

Exactly

Ronib17.42 "Yes Cossy posted. You posted. Doesn’t matter how many people post - the base line is that protesters need to know how to keep themselves safe from being shot when refusing to comply with an order by an armed operative".

A lone woman in a car who is a US citizen approached by several armed ICE officers. One tells her to get out of the car, one to drive away, one to move out of the way. Woman complies with one- by default not able to comply at the same time with the other 2 different orders- they are mutually exclusive.

Ronib- In the face of those 3 mutually exclusive ICE directions how can it be said she "refused to comply with an order by an armed operative" thereby didn't keep herself safe from being shot?

Actually she complied with 2 of the three- she drove out of the wa and moved out of the way....

Vehicles
The core principle of the DOJ's use of force policy is to value and preserve human life, allowing force only when objectively reasonable and when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative exists.
The policy prohibits deadly force if the only reason is to prevent a suspect from escaping or to disable a moving vehicle. However, there are limited exceptions where an officer may fire at a moving vehicle:
When a person in the vehicle is using deadly force against the officer or another person, other than with the vehicle itself.
When the vehicle is being operated in a way that creates an imminent risk of death or serious injury, and there are no other reasonable defensive options, such as moving out of the way.
Key Considerations
Officers are encouraged to move out of the path of a moving vehicle rather than shooting at it. Firing into a vehicle is generally considered a high-risk action that can endanger others. The use of force is evaluated based on whether it was "objectively reasonable" at the time of the incident, considering all the specific circumstances.

Please note the last paragraph

LemonJam video footage shown here suggests there were 2 women. The woman not in the car was to my view baiting the ICE officers. She was clearly not going to comply with any requests and suggested that she would be hearing from them later as she and her partner weren’t going to change their number plates. There was a strong impression of non compliance.
I hope demonstrators and law enforcement officers can understand that change is needed to avoid a repetition of this appalling situation.

Syracute 18.17. A tragedy the officer, (who did in fact move out of the path of the moving vehicle) chose additionally to shoot at close range from the front of vehicle and then through left side window thereby killing Renee Nicole, when she had in fact complied with 2 other ICE officers directions.

The Investigation on this officer's use of force is yet to be demonstrate transparency, rigour, objectivity, impartiality and that decision making is evidence based.

Ronib 18.22- deflection and inappropriate conflation in my view. The officer who opened fire was not dealing or communicating with 2 women. He had 2 other ICE officers in his close range focussed on the car and the woman inside.

There were multiple ICE officers in the vicinity to deal with any other members of the public not in the car being driven by Renee Nicole Good that in your view were displaying a "strong impression of none compliance" on the public pathway.

ronib

LemonJam video footage shown here suggests there were 2 women. The woman not in the car was to my view baiting the ICE officers. She was clearly not going to comply with any requests and suggested that she would be hearing from them later as she and her partner weren’t going to change their number plates. There was a strong impression of non compliance.
I hope demonstrators and law enforcement officers can understand that change is needed to avoid a repetition of this appalling situation.

Just out of interest, how do feel about rubber bullets or even real bullets being used to disperse protests, you know like they do/did in China?

Do you genuinely believe that one unarmed woman “taunting” ICE officials justifies her wife being shot dead?

As I keep stating, it’s completely unclear, unless you personally witnessed this event to know exactly what took place, except a wife and mother was shot dead.

LemonJam

Ronib 18.22- deflection and inappropriate conflation in my view. The officer who opened fire was not dealing or communicating with 2 women. He had 2 other ICE officers in his close range focussed on the car and the woman inside.

There were multiple ICE officers in the vicinity to deal with any other members of the public not in the car being driven by Renee Nicole Good that in your view were displaying a "strong impression of none compliance" on the public pathway.

I agree

Ronib 18.22 "I hope demonstrators and law enforcement officers can understand that change is needed to avoid a repetition of this appalling situation"

I agree but the onus evidently falls greater on the armed officers to ensure they operate within the law and jurisdiction of their role and that their use of firearm force is used only after efforts to deescalate have been tried and only when objectively reasonable.

ronib

LemonJam video footage shown here suggests there were 2 women. The woman not in the car was to my view baiting the ICE officers. She was clearly not going to comply with any requests and suggested that she would be hearing from them later as she and her partner weren’t going to change their number plates. There was a strong impression of non compliance.
I hope demonstrators and law enforcement officers can understand that change is needed to avoid a repetition of this appalling situation.

The woman was taunting the officer with banter. Telling him to go get some lunch is hardly aggression. She was on her way to get in the car. So clearly she was presenting no danger and was going to leave. The officer you can hear on the recording calling them fxxxhing bxxtches. You don’t think he had hate in his heart ?
He not only shot Renee once but 3 times. At times endangering officers nearby and anybody that could of been in the path of the car after he killed her and her car kept going until it crashed.
Ronib did you even look at what I posted above regarding officer conduct ? No, clearly not .

ronib Sun 11-Jan-26 18:22:31

It’s understandable that you’re concerned about ensuring demonstrators and law enforcement are safe, but a large cloud hangs over the “non-compliance caused a shooting” argument. In this Minneapolis incident, there is significant dispute over what the videos actually show and whether the woman’s behaviour posed a real, imminent threat. Local officials and human-rights observers have said the footage contradicts the federal claim that she tried to weaponise her vehicle, and the city’s mayor has publicly rejected the self-defence narrative.

Non-compliance, even verbal defiance or refusing to exit a car, does not equate to a deadly threat even in the USA, as I understand it. UK policing, of course emphasises de-escalation far more than shooting someone over refusal to comply with orders. They are, of course, less likely to be armed. Framing her actions as simply “not complying” doesn’t justify lethal force, and at this incident highlights that it's vital for authorities to be transparent and restrained and TRAINED before resorting to deadly measures.

At the very least, this is a reminder to be cautious about accepting early “information” uncritically. The Brexit experience in the UK showed how effectively narratives can be shaped to influence public opinion - it's worth bearing in mind.

DaisyAnne So very well put

Syracute

ronib

LemonJam video footage shown here suggests there were 2 women. The woman not in the car was to my view baiting the ICE officers. She was clearly not going to comply with any requests and suggested that she would be hearing from them later as she and her partner weren’t going to change their number plates. There was a strong impression of non compliance.
I hope demonstrators and law enforcement officers can understand that change is needed to avoid a repetition of this appalling situation.

The woman was taunting the officer with banter. Telling him to go get some lunch is hardly aggression. She was on her way to get in the car. So clearly she was presenting no danger and was going to leave. The officer you can hear on the recording calling them fxxxhing bxxtches. You don’t think he had hate in his heart ?
He not only shot Renee once but 3 times. At times endangering officers nearby and anybody that could of been in the path of the car after he killed her and her car kept going until it crashed.
Ronib did you even look at what I posted above regarding officer conduct ? No, clearly not .

Oh it was definitely aggression from the wife of the driver to the ICE operative when stood next to the car.She clearly said ‘Do you want to come at us, do you want to come at us?’ While taking an aggressive step towards him, then said ‘ go get some lunch big boy’ ( said sneeringly) then opened the passenger door and said ‘drive baby drive!’ When seconds earlier the other ICE operative can be heard saying repeatedly’get out of the car’.
This wasn’t AI.
The car then lurched right by the other ICE operative either brushing or just missing him and he raised his gun and shot into the car.
I don’t think any of that merited being shot, of course not but they do things differently and it’s at the best unwise to taunt and then drive forward at the time the driver did.
We can replay this over and over on this thread, but that’s what happened.
The only things we can’t know is if the operative really did think he was going to be targeted by the car and what was in the drivers mind.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAGr6J3ID3Q&list=RD8saU0WeocP0&index=2

The Raging Grannies singing group give their view on Trump. (Santa Fe)

enjoy.

Very clever Willow.

Lathyrus3. Actually Cossy as a (somewhat distant) relative of Edith Cavell, I want to object to you using her life as a comparison with the protest methods evidenced here

I mentioned Cavell - not as a comparison to the US protests, but as a person disobeying the law to do what was right. She treated all soldiers as equal not as 'friend or foe' but she was executed for treason ie not obeying the law that required allegiance to the state.

She died trying to ensure others lived. Several hundred lives were saved by her disobeying the law.

StoneofDestiny

Starfire57
Thank you / but I’m fairly well read on history, including US history.
The US white settlers were illegal settlers. Because something wasn’t written down in US Statutes doesn’t mean there was no law! US Law was made for the US! The Native Nations of North America had customary laws and sovereignty over their lands. The white settlers ignored that and laid claim to the land. They were trespassers and unwelcome as they trampled on Native culture and sensitivities. You still hear echoes of Manifest Destiny out off the mouths of some right wing Americans to this day.

Um, the first immigration law was established in 1882, with the Chinese Exclusion Act. But I guess now History.com website is "right wing". LOL...

www.history.com/articles/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration

As I recall, 1882 was a time long after the "illegal white settlers".....LOL

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