Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Starfire 20.15- I disagree with your analysis 100%.

StoneofDestiny

So - all you Trump apologists who think the woman should just obey the ‘law enforcers’ or expect to be shot and killed - here we have Trump saying directly to the protesters in Iran ”keep protesting “

So - one rule for US inhabitants and another for Iranians?

In addition - Trump ready to wade in to defend Iranians being slaughtered, but not Palestinians who were being slaughtered? Wonder why?

Sooner Trump goes, the better for the whole world (that he thinks he owns!). The sooner we in Europe tell him to do his worst with his sanctions and we in Europe stick together and defend Denmark/Greenland and support Ukraine the better!

Iranians being killed due to the terrible repressive regime which is undemocratic in the first place.
Palestinians were killed as a result of their own government being murderous terrorists which a great many of them supported and still support and hamas’s actions in Israel.
But you already know that.
Europe won’t tell him to ‘do his worst’ with sanctions, are you joking?
We and the US and Europe are already supporting Ukraine.
As for Greenland, I think in the end that Denmark will take the money for it.

LemonJam

Starfire 20.15- I disagree with your analysis 100%.

We are all able to have our own opinions on here, how marvellous is that.

Oreo 22.50 - We are in agreement with that.

Oreo

LemonJam

Starfire 20.15- I disagree with your analysis 100%.

We are all able to have our own opinions on here, how marvellous is that.

I don’t object to opinions, but I do object to them being dressed up as facts. If something is claimed to be “literally legal” or “how the system works”, it needs proper support; otherwise it’s just assertion.

MayBee70

“I think Trump jumped to the conclusion she was trying to run him over, as many people did, but, in the end this really does look like both people made the wrong move, period”.
The POTUS should not make statements without knowing and understanding the full facts. But then that’s Trump…doesn’t know how to engage his brain before opening his mouth.

I actually agree with you on this one.

DaisyAnneReturns

Replying to Starfire57Tue 13-Jan-26 20:15:13

I don’t think people are denying that border enforcement is a federal responsibility. I think they’re questioning whether specific actions cross legal or constitutional lines. In most democracies, including the US, elections don’t settle that question by themselves.

Many Trump-era immigration actions were legally challenged, and some were: blocked by courts, modified after adverse rulings or upheld only in part.

I do believe they have authority, as the federal overrules the state. Also, when they arrest these people, they do go before a judge. In other words, they have their day in court before being deported, if that's what the verdict is.

The constitution provides that right to due process. And they do get it. But that doesn't mean they are not deported, if found guilty of breaking the law to get here, then they are.

On our local news, they gave example of some of the latest people they have captured. A couple child rapists with several counts and a guy with 3 counts of homicide. They are not deporting your elderly abuela.

All those arrested get a court hearing and their due process so there really isn't anything in the constitution that says they get off scott free after their due process, just that they get it.

Iranians being killed due to the terrible repressive regime which is undemocratic in the first place
*Palestinians were killed as a result of their own government being murderous terrorists which a great many of them supported and still support and hamas’s actions in Israel.
But you already know that*

I do know that Iranians are being killed by their own repressive government. But what happened to the garbage idea spouted on here by Trump apologists to just ‘do as you are told by your governments law enforcers?

There is no excuse whatsoever for committing genocide on innocent Palestinians because their government are ‘murderous terrorist’. Absolutely appalling to justify this and assume all Palestinians support terrorism. No wonder so many Americans think a woman getting shot to death by ICE for protesting is justifiable and ‘her own fault’. Seriously - get your morality clock reset!

Disappointed to again see excuses for the shameful and still ongoing genocide in Gaza.

Has anyone every actually witnessed, online, in MSM or anywhere, this legal due process that Starfire is describing?

Maremia

Has anyone every actually witnessed, online, in MSM or anywhere, this legal due process that Starfire is describing?

Um they don't allow cameras and reporters into average court rooms in our country.

However, the news reports on some judgements, if they are newsworthy, such as reporting if a detained person had been convicted of a crime before or had deportation orders from a judge.

Here is a description of the due process that illegals receive and also, their rights.

www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-undocumented-immigrant-is-caught.html?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&utm_campaign=cj_affiliate_sale&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=cj&utm_content=5250933&utm_term=12360908&cjevent=f5baee80f11c11f0801a00960a1cb828&PCN=Microsoft+Shopping+%28Bing+Rebates%2C+Coupons%2C+etc.%29&PID=100357191&data=source:cj_affiliate|CID:5250933|PID:100357191

I thought many of them are whisked abroad?

Be interested to read the “due process” those being shot are getting.

At the very least their children should receive financial aid until they are of an age to support themselves after college.

This is also some useful information on the subject that illegals have very limited rights and that immigration hearings are civil, not criminal thus not subject to have a jury of peers and the act of deportation is a civil court remedy rather than a punishment.

Also, immigration law is if an illegal does commit a crime, deportation is warranted.

www.heritage.org/border-security/report/due-process-and-aliens-what-they-are-and-are-not-entitled-immigration

These prosectors disagree with Starfire and are disgusted by Trumps heavy handed tactics.

apnews.com/video/justice-department-prosecutors-resign-amid-turmoil-over-minnesota-ice-shooting-investigation-a197bf1020264f16a4ac0d6319785c50

www.nilc.org/articles/ice-is-detaining-indiscriminately-and-releasing-almost-no-one/

This disputes Starfire assertions.

Syracute

These prosectors disagree with Starfire and are disgusted by Trumps heavy handed tactics.

apnews.com/video/justice-department-prosecutors-resign-amid-turmoil-over-minnesota-ice-shooting-investigation-a197bf1020264f16a4ac0d6319785c50

Disagree? Most likely afraid to get involved.

People are nuts in the US; they try to kill Trump twice and shoot conservatives like Charlie Kirk, you don't think they go after anyone they can if they don't get what they want?

Let us not forget that we are all human beings and giving the label illegals is a triggering for many here on this thread despite this Starfire continues to use this term favored by the tight wing to dehumanize people.
Heritage is a very conservative right wing group.

* people are nuts in the US *

Well, what an interesting take on your own country Starfire57. I expect ‘some posters’ might agree that it’s just a tad crazy to elect the Donald

Syracute

www.nilc.org/articles/ice-is-detaining-indiscriminately-and-releasing-almost-no-one/

This disputes Starfire assertions.

Well, I guess you didn't read the links I provided on the limited rights of illegal aliens. Not to mention, your link is full of misinformation; no US citizen is left in detention and not able to get out.

If they are indeed a citizen, they cannot be deported for god's sake.

The misinformation is astounding and people just believe it.

Well Biden was just as much a mystery Iam64
Joking apart, I hope the USA works out how to protect both demonstrators and law enforcement officers better. The current system needs a rethink. A 6 year old boy has lost both his mother and father and that seems very unfair. Yes there is a right to demonstrate but the price needs to change.

Iam64

* people are nuts in the US *

Well, what an interesting take on your own country Starfire57. I expect ‘some posters’ might agree that it’s just a tad crazy to elect the Donald

No, I'm talking about the people who are easily freaked out over the media circus and some of them act like they are going to take on the whole government or beat up/burn down anyone who gets in their way.

They are violent and irrational. And it's a shame because it puts shade on peaceful protest.

Maybe I've watched too many videos of "protesters" throwing things at people, fighting, setting fires and trying to hit people with things. Just saw a video where a journalist's car was surrounded (guess he was a conservative reporter) and they were hitting his car, blocking him from leaving.

Good thing he found a break to escape, otherwise he might have been on the news as a reporter trying to run over peaceful protestors.

Dang those media outlets (few indeed) not afraid to show the crazies in their frenzy of F bombs and throwing stuff at everything.

Starfire pleas do not dismiss other people's points of view because they do not agree with you. Some of us know or have family in the US and we are getting a much different picture from the one you paint.

How about posters not dismissing Starfire57 then? It works both ways you know.
And do you know what the population of the US is? So anecdotes about some relatives of posters don’t mean much.