Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

I don’t think many people in the UK would object to illegal immigrants being targeted by the authorities, but it would be done differently here and nobody would be shot.

The USA is not ally of ours Oreo or anyone else's; not anymore.

Smileless2012

The USA is not ally of ours Oreo or anyone else's; not anymore.

In your view and maybe that of various people too, but the US is def our best ally in the world, we can’t rely on the assorted other countries in Europe and only the US is powerful enough to deter our enemies.

Yes in my view as the US being our best ally in the world is your view Oreo.

It is the US under the Trump administration that has gone out of its way to prove it can no longer be relied upon to be an ally, not the UK or European countries that once didn’t question that relationship.
Times have changed very quickly and now we have no idea whether the US will instead of being an ally prove to be as much an enemy as Russia under Putin is.
So you are right Smileless.

She most certainly is.

Not everyone, including myself would agree with you.
We simply cannot rely on other European countries, look what happened when Starmer and Macron tried to drum up support over Ukraine, the so called coalition of the willing….very few were actually willing.

This is what an interaction with ICE is like for the protestors. This is just one example. There are countless out there.

bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mbyoo4be3c2w

I've seen a few video reports of the event and just cannot make out clearly what happened up to the shooting.

Oreo

I don’t think many people in the UK would object to illegal immigrants being targeted by the authorities, but it would be done differently here and nobody would be shot.

Even if Reform ( with Trump wannabe Farage) were in government?

Oreo

I don’t think many people in the UK would object to illegal immigrants being targeted by the authorities, but it would be done differently here and nobody would be shot.

My understanding is that ICE don't just target illegal immigrants.

I read a report that they have been harassing Native Americans many of whom do not have the "correct" paperwork. This is particularly ironic as many of the ICE thugs are descended from the white Americans who came over in boats as illegal immigrants not that long ago and snatched land and resources from the indigenous population. They also murdered large numbers of them.

Maybe we can't rely on other European countries Oreo but that doesn't mean we can or should rely on America.

4allweknow

I've seen a few video reports of the event and just cannot make out clearly what happened up to the shooting.

BBC say AI altered videos are out there. They show the original, slowed down and with explanations. It is on the BBC news site.

Just step aside, and let them get on with it?
They are only targeting illegals.
Depends on what you define as an illegal.
Weren't the European Jews so defined, during an horrific time in Germany?

Oreo

It isn’t our fight frogoet
If it was then I would be agreeing with you.

But you are here antagonizing since the start of this thread which is greatly disturbing. It’s the country where I was born in. My nephew has been dating someone from Mexico and she comes back and forth to visit with all the right paperwork. She dies her hair blond and doesn’t “ look” blond. What used to be normal is no longer normal and you have to fear what you say and do. What you have on your phone. No freedom to express your opinions. It’s an utter disgrace. I just saw another video clip from the front of the car and it was disturbing. I don’t really want to discuss it as I couldn’t replay it . Her wife was included. I just had the impression she was trying to leave. The presenter was saying it clearly showed that the officer was to the side as she was trying to leave after he went around the car filming inside the car and around it her wife was outside the car and taunting their aggressiveness and telling them here is my license plate and this is where you can find us at our home. It was a set up for sure . That officer knew what he was doing . It was a setup execution( in my opinion ) He is an experienced border control officer and a former war veteran. The wife had a coffee in her hand outside of the truck with distance. It gave me great chills.
The video that the government shown was manipulated in a way to make it look like the officer was hit when in fact he was not.
I was a child during the 70’s and watched the horrors of the Viet Nam war. Saw the University students get mowed down by the National Guard. Peacefully protesting. Putting flowers in their guns.
Here we are again.
That’s why posts are sometimes garbled a bit and shaky.
Yet here you are Oreo, pretending it’s all fake news or commenting it isn’t our fight….hmmmm …looking the other way. We must not. Nobody nowhere must. Trump is truly tiring to create a Dark Empire . He is already designing his very own Arche de Triomphe . Now he wants a walk of heroes along the Potomac …a second floor added to his grandiose plans for the White House. It was so sickening to read all this in the NYT report ….while he ignored January 6 and vilified a brave Mom of 3 who was peacefully observing the agents in her own neighborhood. No different than ANY of the protests in the UK. Now Noem wants to GIVE them a license to kill by giving them immunity ! She said that and then 2 other people have been shot since. This is NOT how a democracy operates .

Smileless2012

Maybe we can't rely on other European countries Oreo but that doesn't mean we can or should rely on America.

It’s a pretty sad state that Europe cannot defend itself, we would rather add to our lifestyle and rely on the US, our defence industries have sunk to a very low state it’s shameful..

Ugh, I meant to say my nephew’s girlfriend doesn’t look,Mexican not blond.
Sorry it’s a bit stream of thought .. but the video clip was unnerving.

Thank you for sharing that poem Syracute

And thank you Mamie, for sharing those wise. words from John Stuart Mill

The UK has significantly increased its spending on defence.

Here is cell phone footage from the agents perspective. I have not had time to look in depth.

As I stated before on this thread, I believe this needs to be investigated and sent to a jury to decide.

www.cnn.com/us/live-news/minneapolis-ice-shooting-immigration-crackdown-01-09-26

I’m probably wrong about this but I’ve been seeing more footage of the event on social media and my gut feeling at times like this that the only footage to believe is what comes out straight after an incident and further down the line it’s likely to be AI .

You can very clearly hear that the agent said get out of here and that is what they tried to do. I saw one that showed him aggressively filming their car very quickly closely that happened just before this clip. He certainly was making no attempt to deescalate .

I am very careful right now about where I get the footage for that very reason Maybe. This coming from CNN seemed like a trustable source vs. a social media video.

Not much news on the Portland shooting today, other than the FBI seems to be working with the locals.

MayBee70

Smileless2012

I hope this is the beginning of the end of the Trump administration because the American people turn against this lying thug.

The senate have voted to reduce his powers but according to the news item I listened to even if congress do the same he can just overrule everything. I never realised how much power the president had. And this is someone that has power over all of us in the west, too. It’s terrifying.

This is why it's an insurance to have a monarchy. They are constitutionally above the elected Prime Minister. So if parliament has voted to reduce powers in an extreme situation like Trump, where all the executive posts have gone to his cronies & he's turning the country into a Police State, he either complies or the Monarch can dissolve Parliament & force an election. And they have the power - they are commander in chief of the armed forces and they personally work to retain their loyalty.