Starmer abandons plans to cancel local elections

No one should be denied their right to vote. The figure is about four & a half million people who would have been denied.

Marg75

No one should be denied their right to vote. The figure is about four & a half million people who would have been denied.

Deferred, not denied. As it is, they will vote again very shortly.

I assume from your sweeping 'nobody should be denied their right to vote' statement that you don't support voter ID? (I know this is not under discussion, but when people make sweeping statements it's interesting to know how far their stance carries them)

It seems to me that KS thought he could turn democracy off when it suited him.
You can't do that.

Yet another far-right Party started "Restore Britain". I wonder how many there will be by the time of the next election? Then there are the rumours about Nigel Farage's health ... A long time until the next election. How many parties will share the far-right vote ... and who will be there leaders?

before anybody comes back with comments about U turns Boris Johnson made over 30 U turns between 2019 and 2022
Is it a competition then?
I thought KS said it would be different. So if he makes fewer U-turns, that will be true.

Samsara1

Am I the only one here who voted for him and doesn't want him to go?

I did and I don't.

We need some stability at the moment. The U turns may not seem like stability but show he is listening although I wish he/they had more foresight than hindsight.

"And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse"

How many U turns does that make it? 15?
While I agree that a wrong decision should be put right, this smacks of indecision at best.

From sorting out incontinence pads for the elderly, to paying HMRC as a POA, life in the UK just seems so ridiculously inefficient. It doesn’t surprise me that the government spouts inefficiency…. Just better get used to it?

Mollygo

^before anybody comes back with comments about U turns Boris Johnson made over 30 U turns between 2019 and 2022^
Is it a competition then?
I thought KS said it would be different. So if he makes fewer U-turns, that will be true.

Neither Johnson or Starmer spent time and listened to the relevant people before making grand announcements on another brainwave, all for it to come crashing down. Neither of them have an iota of solid judgement hence the U-turns.

Don’t say anything against Saint Keir, you will get condemned on here. Seriously, the people on gransnet are about the only ones who like him. Dreadful PM. He should be the foreign minister, shouldn’t he ? Much more his sort of thing , I think he would do ok at that.

The very fact that there is not one single MP who is the obvious replacement when Starmer goes, says everything about this government.

All that the U turns have achieved, is to make Starmer more and more unpopular - with everyone. Of course with the opposition, especially with Farage, but also more and more unpopular with the electorate, and worse still, unpopular with those in his own party. They must be rolling their eyes at how ineffectual he is, and lacking in intuition.

KS appears to be an expert in changing his mind. We can safely say he is a master at this. It's like a plane coming into land, then suddenly changing direction. But, how many more times before the pilot spins out completely and crashes?

mum2three

The very fact that there is not one single MP who is the obvious replacement when Starmer goes, says everything about this government.

It does.

But there again, I think the tories had the same problem?

MartavTaurus

It seems to me that KS thought he could turn democracy off when it suited him.
You can't do that.

He was trying to act "illegally"?

I said on another thread, perhaps he would try and stop more elections.
Some guffawed.
Said we were not like the US.

nanna8

Don’t say anything against Saint Keir, you will get condemned on here. Seriously, the people on gransnet are about the only ones who like him. Dreadful PM. He should be the foreign minister, shouldn’t he ? Much more his sort of thing , I think he would do ok at that.

Are you joking? If you haven't noticed all the anti posts I think you need new glasses.

Marg75

No one should be denied their right to vote. The figure is about four & a half million people who would have been denied.

No one was being denied, what rubbish. There is reorganisation happening, these elections will just produce lameduck councillors who won't have time to do anything other than just keep things going till the reorganisation happens and we elect councillors who can get on and do something.

Have you ever worked in local government in n the run up to reorganisation? I have.

ronib

From sorting out incontinence pads for the elderly, to paying HMRC as a POA, life in the UK just seems so ridiculously inefficient. It doesn’t surprise me that the government spouts inefficiency…. Just better get used to it?

It's what lots on here seem to want. God forbid anyone thinks "this is a waste of money, let's just wait for reorganisation and spend the election money on something positive.". Much more fun to whine about anything and everything.

theworriedwell

Marg75

No one should be denied their right to vote. The figure is about four & a half million people who would have been denied.

No one was being denied, what rubbish. There is reorganisation happening, these elections will just produce lameduck councillors who won't have time to do anything other than just keep things going till the reorganisation happens and we elect councillors who can get on and do something.

Have you ever worked in local government in n the run up to reorganisation? I have.

I have never agreed with a postponement not being a cancellation. On anything.

Of course they were denied.

The problem is worriedwell there are very genuine reasons for whining and it makes not one iota of difference. One recent example is that I had to phone HMRC to discover whether Shipley or Cumbernauld took payment of my friend’s tax. Why on earth can’t HMRC give this most basic information in the very long letter it sends? It makes it much more expensive to pay additional staff to answer phone queries. And raises blood pressure!

Starmer acted illegally in cancelling the local elections according to Electoral Commission and we can't have that from the Prime Minister.

Yes let's waste lots of money and then we can moan about not enough money for the NHS, education, pot hikes or whatever. Double win.

So you would let an illegal cancellation happen?

I dont think I needed the question mark on that post.

Sorry, postponment.

theworriedwell

nanna8

Don’t say anything against Saint Keir, you will get condemned on here. Seriously, the people on gransnet are about the only ones who like him. Dreadful PM. He should be the foreign minister, shouldn’t he ? Much more his sort of thing , I think he would do ok at that.

Are you joking? If you haven't noticed all the anti posts I think you need new glasses.

And- listen to any answers, any questions, question time or phone ins and you’ll find comments on gransnet reflected. Some anti Labour/starmer, some reminding of the mess they inherited, need for stability and good things the govt is doing

Polarised simplistic shouting butters bo parsnipsb