News of Iran ceasefire

And, moreover, I doubt if any of them would take kindly to be taken over by an America led by Trump or Israel led by Netanyahu.

twaddle

And, moreover, I doubt if any of them would take kindly to be taken over by an America led by Trump or Israel led by Netanyahu.

I agree

twaddle

fancythat

Iran may not be? But what about all the groups that David quoted?

What about any of them? There's no realistic chance that any of them are in a position to take over the world.

Clever groups/Countries work on a long term plan.
We have got used in this Country to short termism.
Things didnt used to be like that even 50 years ago.

Oh, fancythat. What side road are you wandering off on now?

Which are the clever groups/countries working to along term plan? And what are they planning to do?

China. Need I say more?

Ditto Russia.

fancythat

China. Need I say more?

Ditto Russia.

Russia is not smart enough, China is the economic threat and succeeding, state control of everything, no U turns, sticking to the one plan. Any disagreement leads to "re-education" if you are lucky. A massive army and police force to deter any unrest, every incentive to work, you can be a billionaire, as long as you agree with the party line.

Islamic expansion is the opposite, little economic enterprise, just a religious ideology based on traditional Sharia principles being enforced and western freedoms are despised

Russia have long term "ambitions".

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Russia's long-term goals are focused on reversing the post-Cold War order, establishing a multipolar world where it acts as a dominant power center, and ensuring the survival of the current regime, according to official policies and geopolitical analyses. These objectives, primarily guided by President Vladimir Putin through at least 2030-2036, emphasize territorial influence, economic sovereignty, and ideological confrontation with the West.
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fancythat

AI Overview
Russia's long-term goals are focused on reversing the post-Cold War order, establishing a multipolar world where it acts as a dominant power center, and ensuring the survival of the current regime, according to official policies and geopolitical analyses. These objectives, primarily guided by President Vladimir Putin through at least 2030-2036, emphasize territorial influence, economic sovereignty, and ideological confrontation with the West.
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Russia may have ambitions in that direction but competition with China will prevent domination.
For goodness sake they are struggling against little Ukraine, the slowest advance in military history and having to rely on Iran for technology.

Of course if a union with China were to happen, combined they would be a threat, historically they haven't aways been on good terms, if the price is right they will deal with each other.

I can’t see that happening. I don’t see China as having military ambition beyond immediate neighbours, as they don’t need to invade to gain power.

They’ve already got world domination in socks!

Yes, and lots of other everyday items too. It’s extremely hard to get basics that are not made in China now, economic world domination is their plan, not warfare.

So no agreement in negotiations, now we have a blockade of Iran, Im not expecting any quick end to the war now, the gulf will remain closed. Maybe Iran will compromise, the US can maintain the blockade indefinitely, the rest of us just have to tighten our belts and pay the price.

I never was expecting any quick end to the war David49, were you?

The USA of course is claiming Iran intransigence, which may or may not be true.

The Trump government is working under severe difficulties as far as the rest of the world is concerned because it opens its mouth and lies.

Consequently we simply can’t believe a word of what they are saying.

I certainly would not enter a war on Trumps say so.

He can change his mind the next day, as well.

While Vance was negotiating with Iran on Saturday Trump was in Miami at a bloodied cage match watching two men batter each other.
He was in intense discussions with his advisers in full view of other spectators.
Every day there seems to be something else that makes me wonder why Trump is president of the USA.

what side of the road are you wandering off on now
I must use that today. 😂 I volunteer with a few people where it’s going to be so appropriate.

Casdon

I never was expecting any quick end to the war David49, were you?

I think we were all hoping for a quick end to the war, stopping all sea ports and probably airports will hurt Iran quickly, they could of course attack Gulf States in retaliation as US could attack their infrastructure on a tit for tat enterprise

Eventually there will be a compromise

I don’t think hoping and expecting are the same thing though. It was obvious to many of us that it was a Pandora’s box, and that once the lid was off it could not be put on again.

Whitewavemark2

The USA of course is claiming Iran intransigence, which may or may not be true.

The Trump government is working under severe difficulties as far as the rest of the world is concerned because it opens its mouth and lies.

Consequently we simply can’t believe a word of what they are saying.

I certainly would not enter a war on Trumps say so.

I agree

Casdon

I don’t think hoping and expecting are the same thing though. It was obvious to many of us that it was a Pandora’s box, and that once the lid was off it could not be put on again.

In that case you obviously hope for the worst on any issue.
Myself I hope for the best and prepare for the worst it doesnt matter if it's weather or warfare.

Or is it that you think Iran should continue continue developing nuclear weapons or sponsoring terrorism and it's nobody else's business

David49

Casdon

I don’t think hoping and expecting are the same thing though. It was obvious to many of us that it was a Pandora’s box, and that once the lid was off it could not be put on again.

In that case you obviously hope for the worst on any issue.
Myself I hope for the best and prepare for the worst it doesnt matter if it's weather or warfare.

Or is it that you think Iran should continue continue developing nuclear weapons or sponsoring terrorism and it's nobody else's business

No, of course I don’t always think the worst, what a miserable life that would be. It was obvious to anybody who knew anything about the history of the Middle East that Iran wasn’t going to roll over and say thanks to Trump, and that bombing the hell out of any country never solves an underpinning culture. What this war has done is to exacerbate an already extremely fragile country, which is surrounded by others which have been slowly moving towards more liberal regimes. Change comes from within, not from bully boys.

David49

Casdon

I don’t think hoping and expecting are the same thing though. It was obvious to many of us that it was a Pandora’s box, and that once the lid was off it could not be put on again.

In that case you obviously hope for the worst on any issue.
Myself I hope for the best and prepare for the worst it doesnt matter if it's weather or warfare.

Or is it that you think Iran should continue continue developing nuclear weapons or sponsoring terrorism and it's nobody else's business

That doesn't show a person hoping for the worst. It's somebody who is aware of history and is a realist.

America and Israel are committing acts of terrorism; it's a bit like 'the pot calling the kettle' isn't it.