Revolving door politics

I remember the excuses about Boris, it was all his enemies blah blah that brought him down and the media.
No it wasn’t, it was his own actions and decisions.

Fallingstar

Today it seems Starmer could resign as PM, but what does this say about our national politics in the past decade, when PMs on both sides of the political divide have come and gone with tedious regularity?
Have we grown out of one party politics?
Is it it time to embrace coalition politics?
Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics??
I wanted Starmer to go but am now considering this more deeply and think it could be more harmful than good. Surely our PMs cannot be subject to a lynching mob whenever the going gets tough. If a party wins an election shouldn’t that mean they see out a full term?

I’d love to see a coalition govt, some think in worked well in NZ until the economic situation didn’t go so well.

On a personal level, I’d only support a coalition if Lab/Lib/Green were involved, I do support The Green Party, but I’m coming around to the fact that they do require a new leader.

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

Starmer’s loyalty to her hasn’t helped him one iota.

fancythat

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.

But this happening whilst in government totally destabilises things, I think more loyalty within parties in power should be more important.

It is very convenient to blame the media for briefing against a party, with the rather insulting insinuation that voters cannot observe and make their own decisions. Creditable new is available round the clock now; some of the comments posted on here from dubious sources are risible but clearly believed by some.That is freedom of speech.
the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year Ask the workers and taxpayers who are supplying the money which pays for these 'extras', breakfast clubs, free school meals, childcare, but not allowed to benefit from them. This is where dissension is coming from. Doctors' waiting lists are not reducing because doctors are able to work fewer hours for the same money.

Boris got the same treatment from the left westendgirl.
He was ridiculed by the press, even when he was at deaths doors with Covid.
Even his private life wasn’t sacred.
Every little argument him & his wife had was reported about.

Well “Voters do not want Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister and do not trust him” a Labour backbencher has said.

Paulette Hamilton, the MP for Birmingham Edington, called for Sir Keir to resign yesterday.

She told Sky News: “Over the last few months at the doors, it has been awful. People do not want him there. They don’t trust him. They do not think he’s the right person to take this forward...”

And ..

A Red Wall Labour MP has insisted Sir Keir Starmer must resign after his “downright insulting” reset speech.

Jonathan Hinder, the Labour MP for Pendle and Clitheroe, told BBC Newsnight: “It’s time to be real. He’s going, no doubt about it.”

When asked whether that was what he wanted, Mr Hinder responded: “Yes. And the speech ... I thought it was if I’m being generous, tone deaf, at its worst I would say it was downright insulting.”

The knives are out ….

MT62

Boris got the same treatment from the left westendgirl.
He was ridiculed by the press, even when he was at deaths doors with Covid.
Even his private life wasn’t sacred.
Every little argument him & his wife had was reported about.

But not so much in the press.

He was a truly dreadful PM, imo, and please don’t quote Covid as he supplied the cash for vaccines and the scientists, and our NHS, along with thousands of unpaid volunteers handled the roll out. Most of the rest of his covid based decisions were appalling including the wasting of £m on PPE and Track & Trace, to mention just two, then prior to that was the illegal proroguing of parliament and the whole Dominic Cummings saga, the enormous personal donations he received to redecorate number 10, and prior to him being PM the police being called to a domestic disturbance in his then gf’s flat.

His personal life was explored, but this was because some people felt his moral compass was slightly screwed when representing the party of “family” whilst dumping his second wife, for a younger model.

He was already not the best person to be in public service, he’d lost at least one job in journalism due to lying about stories and people liked him because he had a “nice, friendly and vaguely amusing persona”. He’s clearly benefitted greatly financially from being PM and doesn’t shy away from the media as his wife regularly posts on social media showing their beautiful mansion and rather cute children.

The PM has told his cabinet, that he is continuing governing

He also told them if they want him to go, to do it through the process laid down in the Labour Party rule book, basically he has told them to put up or shut up

As reported on ITV news bulletin.

Anyway, now that Ben Habib has spilled the beans on a further £1 million bung from Harborne to Farage to collude with Johnson to rig the 2019 election, Farage’s time must be coming close to an end.

His propensity to alienate former colleagues is coming back to bite him. Let’s see the revolving door at Milbank Tower spinning as police escort him to a custody suite.

Fair enough. Do it properly.

It’s a dirty game. Between Starmer being hounded out, Polanski not paying his poll tax, and Farage and the mystery bungs, today is an embarrassment for British politics.

All of which does not detract from the appalling state of the Labour Party, where the most prominent view appears to be that Keir Starmer should remain because the alternatives are so much worse.
Look to your own party and its disastrous government.

mum2three

I think our whole system is flawed. So often people are forced to choose between a candidate and the party. How many good counsellors lost their seats at the last election because of the party they represented?
I think a committee (if that's the right word) would be better, with debates to decide policies.

Absolutely, if only the brightest and best from all the main parties, excluding the nutcase Polanski, could come together for the sake of the country, form a cabinet and come up with how best to go forward for the sake of everyone living in the uk. Not likely to happen though sadly.

Chestnut

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

I agree absolutely. I hate to think of who will replace Starmer as there's just no-one I recognise as PM material. I'm terrified to think of that idiot Lammy or the drunken Rayner being considered. How has it come to this?

Rewind a couple of years and I remember the euphoria on this site when Labour were elected. There was such delight that the Tories had been thrown out. I remember posting a comment warning that under Labour things were about to get much worse. I was raining on their parade! But I stand by my words, which I think have come true as I just knew they would. Labour has always messed things up and they always will. Just look at them. There is no hope with people like that.

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Wyllow Scotland has had the dhondt system since devolution started
In the main it works pretty well at least most folk get some representation in Holyrood.
The downside is that some who come in on the list!

It came to this because the Conservatives made themselves unelectable. Starting with Boris Johnson who was totally unfit for the job. Got rid of many of the decent Conservative MP’s and of those remaining many wouldn’t serve under him. I’ve always maintained that a good government needs a strong opposition and it pains me to see the Conservatives in such a state. We seem to have had a series of political catastrophes eg Labour choosing Ed instead of David; then Corbyn…Cameron quitting; Johnson and then Truss, both unfit for office. And it’s all leading to a Reform government. Heaven help us.

REKA

*Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics?*

Absolutely, yes I've been saying this for ages. I think it's the main reason. And I can't see it improving at all, Fallingstar

Which is quite sad and not all helpful for us, the electorate.

eazybee

All of which does not detract from the appalling state of the Labour Party, where the most prominent view appears to be that Keir Starmer should remain because the alternatives are so much worse.
Look to your own party and its disastrous government.

To be clear eazybee, it is OUR government. These are OUR political parties, as UK voters. Dirty politics is not just about the Labour Party, it was no different when the Tories were in power, and it would not be different if another party was in power. By the way, I didn’t vote Labour in the general election or in the recent Welsh election. I vote tactically.

MayBee70

It came to this because the Conservatives made themselves unelectable. Starting with Boris Johnson who was totally unfit for the job. Got rid of many of the decent Conservative MP’s and of those remaining many wouldn’t serve under him. I’ve always maintained that a good government needs a strong opposition and it pains me to see the Conservatives in such a state. We seem to have had a series of political catastrophes eg Labour choosing Ed instead of David; then Corbyn…Cameron quitting; Johnson and then Truss, both unfit for office. And it’s all leading to a Reform government. Heaven help us.

I agree. We need a good strong government and an equally good and strong opposition to hold said government to account t and to provide balance.

My DH thinks that this Labour government has a communist agenda…. Perhaps this is why Starmer is so disliked? Attacks on private schools, farmers and landowners imply a reboot of the social order - hammering the aspirational middle classes. Billionaires are able to pick which ever country suits them best so they are not as affected as anyone on PAYE.

Well just as appalling as KS then.
I agree the amount of money spent on the nightingale hospitals, track & trace, the botched up ppe (baroness bra wasn’t really held accountable) was a total fiasco.
He did try with the vaccines that some of you grans think are wonderful!
Starmer probably would have done the same thing. In fact he would have had us in a lockdown for even longer, wasting us even more money.

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

I agree with everything you have said here. It's the Cabinet that needs a major reshuffle rather than the PM. I would not shed any tears to see Bridget Phillipson go. As Secretary of State for Education she stood by and allowed the Labour Party to raise VAT on private schools by 20%. Wealthy parents who choose to give their children a private education would hardly feel the pinch but it is a different matter altogether for those with special needs who go to private specialist schools. They are there because the state system has failed to provide an education for them. This cruel decision not to make an exception for SEND students is resulting in some pupils having to return to the mainstream system that failed them in the first place because the parents cannot afford the rise in fees. Labour assumed all children in private schools have rich parents. They don't.

eazybee

All of which does not detract from the appalling state of the Labour Party, where the most prominent view appears to be that Keir Starmer should remain because the alternatives are so much worse.
Look to your own party and its disastrous government.

Starmer is doing the best he can with the rabble of MPs that he has got, my problem is that I cannot see a leader that is going to do what is needed to improve the economy.
A national government is a non starter because Labour has a big majority, the economy is bumping along the bottom because so many previous governments have made short term decisions and too many giveaways they can't afford.