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Revolving door politics

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Fallingstar Tue 12-May-26 09:04:43

Today it seems Starmer could resign as PM, but what does this say about our national politics in the past decade, when PMs on both sides of the political divide have come and gone with tedious regularity?
Have we grown out of one party politics?
Is it it time to embrace coalition politics?
Is social media/populous views responsible for revolving doors politics??
I wanted Starmer to go but am now considering this more deeply and think it could be more harmful than good. Surely our PMs cannot be subject to a lynching mob whenever the going gets tough. If a party wins an election shouldn’t that mean they see out a full term?

Cossy Tue 12-May-26 11:32:39

eazybee

All of which does not detract from the appalling state of the Labour Party, where the most prominent view appears to be that Keir Starmer should remain because the alternatives are so much worse.
Look to your own party and its disastrous government.

That’s a nonsense, he’s been very unpopular, but got in with a clear majority.

I don’t agree with all these leadership changes and backstabbing which goes on in ALL parties.

It’s not the right thing for us all, us, the electorate.

If I genuinely believed the Tory party had the interests of country at heart, they’d be the party I’d for which I’d vote, but I don’t. The LP comes closest to my own values and moral compass, I’d never stay they were perfect, but in both our current and previous governments the voters put them into power and they should be allowed to do this and serve their allotted terms (unless they break the law, do something else corrupt or drop down dead) and at the end of their term the voters get the chance to either keep them their or get rid of them.

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 11:33:52

Casdon

It’s a dirty game. Between Starmer being hounded out, Polanski not paying his poll tax, and Farage and the mystery bungs, today is an embarrassment for British politics.

There are very few ‘white sheep’ in the world of politics unfortunately.

Cossy Tue 12-May-26 11:37:01

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Anyway, now that Ben Habib has spilled the beans on a further £1 million bung from Harborne to Farage to collude with Johnson to rig the 2019 election, Farage’s time must be coming close to an end.

His propensity to alienate former colleagues is coming back to bite him. Let’s see the revolving door at Milbank Tower spinning as police escort him to a custody suite.

Sadly, though this should be true, I fear Farage has the same outlook on his popularity as Mr Trump.

I recall Trump boasting that he could shoot someone in the street, in full view of the public, and retain support, I fear Farage is the same - two matching Teflon-twins?

Why?

For some insane reason many members of the voting public “admire” them. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

butterandjam Tue 12-May-26 11:40:04

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

The problems Starmer can't resolve ( boat migration, cost of living, fuel supply) are issues that will face any other PM . These are rooted in global events which have nothing to do with KS popularity or personality.

When a foreign billionaire can buy a proven charlatan like Farage to take over our political system via social media THAT is a real threat to this country.

Cossy Tue 12-May-26 11:41:07

Casdon

It’s a dirty game. Between Starmer being hounded out, Polanski not paying his poll tax, and Farage and the mystery bungs, today is an embarrassment for British politics.

I agree! Grown adult people who should know better!

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 11:41:36

& that’s why I like Kemi, she can hold her own at PMQS

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 11:45:40

GREENS! Cossy. Why?

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 11:50:29

MT62

& that’s why I like Kemi, she can hold her own at PMQS

Cossy

MayBee70 Tue 12-May-26 11:50:58

butterandjam

TerriBull

I didn't vote for Labour, but I really hope Starmer doesn't go, better the devil you know are my thoughts. I think he's been disappointing apart from when he stood up to Trump. Rachel Reeves has been a positively awful Chancellor imo, she's reeked havoc on business and the effects of which are catastrophic.

The problems Starmer can't resolve ( boat migration, cost of living, fuel supply) are issues that will face any other PM . These are rooted in global events which have nothing to do with KS popularity or personality.

When a foreign billionaire can buy a proven charlatan like Farage to take over our political system via social media THAT is a real threat to this country.

Something that Labour are trying to do something about. Which might be why somebody somewhere aided by the media, want to destabilise the party?

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Cossy Tue 12-May-26 11:54:40

MT62

GREENS! Cossy. Why?

Not Zack. I’d like to preserve our world and mitigate the damage us humans have done, I would like to see some steps taken re climate control, and their manifesto states very clearly that Greens would like to see a more equitable society and believe in social justice.

I don’t want entirely open borders.

I do actually agree with the decriminalising of many drugs, and I’d like to see sex workers treated better.

Ideally, of course, there would be no drugs at all, there’d be no sex workers, but I just think some way of dealing with both the above could be found that rids our country of gangs, pumps, child sex workers and needless deaths from tampered cut drugs!

Cossy Tue 12-May-26 11:55:28

*pumps mm pimps!

Granatlast007 Tue 12-May-26 11:59:03

Fallingstar

fancythat

I am probably out of sync with a lot of people on this one, but I dont see the problem if Leaders come and go.
More democracy that way.

I don’t see it as more democracy but more political turmoil and shenanigans with members of a party revealed as simply careerist politicians ready to stick the knife in. Is horrible.

I completely agree Fallingstar, there have been a couple of interesting GN threads of late about the bias in our media which is almost totally owned by billionaires who control what is published.

I couldn't help seeing yesterday the Daily Mail headline 'Fears Starmer is plotting a full blown Brexit betrayal'. All the Express headlines I see are full blown hyperbole/outright nonsensical lies aimed at the lowest educated of the populace who will have already been fed racist lies and bigotry against immigrants.

I noticed this morning an article on the BBC about Zak Polanski living in a narrowboat in London 'and not paying council tax' and I just thought - oh more slurs against any opposition to we all know which party - the one now with more financial backing than any other UK political party.

We don't have democracy any longer in this country. If we had proportional representation we would at least have parliamentary seats allocated on the basis of votes. I can see why Starmer upsets people but our political situation is in such disarray, Labour is in pieces running in all directions on the basis of social media and news reports in mainstream media. I just can't believe what I'm seeing day after day.

butterandjam Tue 12-May-26 11:59:42

mum2three

I think our whole system is flawed. So often people are forced to choose between a candidate and the party. How many good counsellors lost their seats at the last election because of the party they represented?
I think a committee (if that's the right word) would be better, with debates to decide policies.

Councillors ARE a committee who discuss and decide local policies.

Local councillors are elected representatives who act as the bridge between residents and the council, responsible for representing their ward, setting council policy, managing budgets, and conducting casework. They make decisions on local services—such as planning, housing, and social care—and ensure community views are heard.

Counsellors offer individual therapy for anxiety, depression, relationships, and trauma.

I hope you know what you voted for.

Basgetti Tue 12-May-26 12:19:02

Bloody ridiculous. What on earth is wrong with the Labour MPs calling for his resignation? Prior to the Iran situation and oil price hikes, the economic figures were improving. Labour has put into place several good policies which many people don’t seem to realise: its communications people are atrocious.

The public is sick tired of the constant chopping and changing. He has a mandate for 5 years and that’s what he should serve.

Wyllow3 Tue 12-May-26 12:30:35

Yes, it does help if posters know the difference between a Councillor and a Counsellor…

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 12:31:26

I haven’t seen much on climate change with the greens lately.
Just going on about Gaza.

I don’t agree with legalising hard drugs apart from dope for medicinal use if, it isn’t smoked outside as our small town stinks of cannabis.

I agree sex workers should be treated better. Better controlled units where they can do their job safely.

I personally don’t want open borders as we don’t know who is entering.
Anyone throwing away passports/ paper work should be detained/or deported.

MT62 Tue 12-May-26 12:32:11

MT62

I haven’t seen much on climate change with the greens lately.
Just going on about Gaza.

I don’t agree with legalising hard drugs apart from dope for medicinal use if, it isn’t smoked outside as our small town stinks of cannabis.

I agree sex workers should be treated better. Better controlled units where they can do their job safely.

I personally don’t want open borders as we don’t know who is entering.
Anyone throwing away passports/ paper work should be detained/or deported.

Cossy

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 12-May-26 12:32:45

And now … Any Burnham has apparently just arrived in London. The thick plotters. 😁

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 12-May-26 12:33:31

*plottens
Ha my play on words just bombed.

Spinnaker Tue 12-May-26 12:41:50

😂😂 The thick plotters 😂😂

Basgetti Tue 12-May-26 12:42:25

Both work 😁

Spinnaker Tue 12-May-26 12:42:30

FGT I knew what you meant but couldn't resist 😂

Primrose53 Tue 12-May-26 12:44:21

westendgirl

Oreo, the media attack stuff is not nonsense. It started from the moment Starmer became P.M.. There has been constant negative reporting , all reflected on this site .

For goodness sake - that is a lame excuse.

Starmer has had nothing like Boris had to contend with from the moment he became Mayor and then carried on when he became PM. He was photographed and videod out jogging, cycling, walking, abseiling, holidaying, with his family …. Just every occasion. He was ridiculed and called a buffoon and other names. I don’t recall Starmer being called horrible names by the Conservatives. The worst description of him has been that he is boring and wooden.

LizzieDrip Tue 12-May-26 12:49:43

MT62

& that’s why I like Kemi, she can hold her own at PMQS

Sadly politics has been reduced to a game show - theatrics, performance, who ‘does best at PMQs’ 🙈