GMA I notice you posted on my thread, I hope some of the things on there will give you hope. I do understand the betrayal feeling, although my Dil has at least no "cheated" on my son, I too had no idea this was coming imagining them to be totally happy so I the shock of this coming out of the blue is a very difficult thing for you to deal with and will continue to be so for a while. if it's any consolation I no longer think about it the moment I wake up, but I'm several weeks down the line,the shock has lessened but the questions are still there. I also understand that gransnet is a place to say exactly how you feel but in RL you are doing your greiving and crying in private. Again this is the same for me, I would be of no help to my son if I was upset in front of him. I also love my Dil as you do your Sil, and i would like to killllll both of them for hurting our children and for what seems like a total deception of everybody. My son didnt tell me they were having problems as your daughter didn't, don't feel hurt by this, they are grown ups and would want to try to sort their problems in their own way, it is a good thing and shows we have brought them up well in not running to mummy and daddy every time there is a problem. However when the s**t hits the fan we are of course the first people they turn to, quite rightly so. As to the future, all your hopes and dreams are shattered at the moment and it is scary thinking of the future, how will they ever survive, what about christmas, what about the Gson,how to deal with the feelings something like this awakens in us etc etc even how to get to sleep. so many questions. My one hope is that as my son has loved once he has the capacity to love again and even eventually to forgive. Your daughter has already shown her strenght and she too will eventually recover. I am sending you lots of love and support at this horrible time x