Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.

Thanks for answering my question, Eddie. Dil sounds difficult indeed!

Smileless, I think your delightful "with your choice of perfume and shoes!"

What a lovely thing to say Starlady thank you.

Thanks eddiecat for explaining, oh gosh you and Smilelss be careful I don't want be prison visiting ?Sorry I hadn't grasped that fully.

I too am pleased your son went and didn't spoil it for your daughter,

I have lovely photo of my ed and my dear son on her wedding day she did love him like rest of us I am certain but what happened of influence decided her cut us all off I can't keep going over.

Sorry that's enough let's come up to dare great see smileless posting welcome back ?

We went away last night but I am so unwell in mornings was stressful leaving and our. Eibor from hell whose house,up for sale tuned up clear garage they still refuse to trimm20ft conifer, but estate agent told us they are telling prospective buyers it has to go, so that wasn't good start we avoided each other.

However we did enjoy the break and our lovely elderly neibor had Rosie
I was stupid and and few ?Didn't agreed with pain relief relief so felt queasy overnight still managed sleep poor husband didn't sleep well worried about me.
Think he felt guilty he should been firmer over drinks.

Smilelss sorry ds gone back other side world, and ??it's been tough time for you both and hope she comes to terms with it eventually sudden death awful as I remember still from losing my dad suddenly when only 16 ??
It took me a long long while to get over. Do hope Xmas visit is happier and they can support one another,

Fairydoll wrote such excellent post last week I wish I was as good at phrasing things, another well done.

Yogagirl seems gone quiet not surprised I guess given the unpleasantness of last few days on here,

Do feel for that new poster is was unfortunate,

Well dh just made tea and I wasn't quite as ill this morning but one of my tests has shown up something seeing dr wed she already referred e. Gastroenterologist oh dear if I get well again I am determined live life even more to the full,

Sorry me again Smilelss I too treated Rosie to some perfume from last groomer not current one she doesn't keep it, it was pricey 16.95 but smelt gorgeous and lasted ! I adore Rosie but keep her spotless with johnsons lighlty perfumed baby wipes between grooming, I love her to bits but not natural doggie person I suspect.

Well the smelly type of dogs I meant, likewise her beddigntowels and cushions all over the house washed regularly, bless her,

We have take water sample from her Thursday ?

I love so many perfumes, poison is a strong one, remember youth dew Estée Lauder? Still use that evenings and dh gets em matching body lotion, also like Rive gauche

Daytime love Paris, Yves st laurent also Daisy (poignant as have dear gd that name never seen) I wear it when trying feel positive.
Also love good old coty l'-aiming and nina ricci l'-air du temps
Guess am spoilt for choice by dh
Also enjoy Chanel chance and no 5

Gosh Celeb - I was given Youth Dew by my very first boyfriend when I was 16! It was my first proper perfume and I thought I was the bees knees!
Funnily enough though I tried it again recently and didn`t like it at all on me - but I still like to smell it on other people.

I did have a moment recently in a supermarket when I was behind a chap who smelt wonderful - but I didn`t have the nerve to ask him what it was! (He was about 30 years younger than me and might have got the wrong idea!)

Glad the wedding went well. It was fab weather locally so hope the sun shone for you all too.
So sad when unhappy couples are stuck together because finance limits options. I hope your son is able to sort something so everyone, including him, can be happier.

EddiecatGlad you had a nice time at the wedding.
Had a discussion today with a friend about the estrangement. She said that children are having decisions made for them that they will resent when they get older.How would we react if we were told at ten or twelve or fifteen years old that a grandparent was still alive but our parent kept them from us because of their own petty reasons. I would be furious. In our case my DH is the only grandfather. IMO our grandchildren will have some BIG issues with their parents later on.
Who knows... the very same thing could happen to our children with their children.
After all... look what our ec are teaching them.
On another note DD's xhusband has a girlfriend after only four months divorced. They both got drunk and were kicked out of a casino. He wants to introduce the children to her. My DD won't let him. Talk about screwing up and confusing them. They barely have had time to understand and process what has happened. This is all so painful for me as well.

My Grandson is 8 now and becoming more aware of what is going on.
One day he said "Daddy, why don`t you go and live with Nanny and Grandad and we will come and visit you there"

What on earth is going on in his head for him to come out with that?

Rhinestone - so sorry you are having additional worries - it`s never ending isn`t it

Oh eddiecat your poor little Grandson same age as my little g daughter except to my eternal distress we not seen her since baby of 9 months same heartache as Smilelss and another 2 never told about or met.

I expect we will be badmouthed but not sure how ed can justify it,

I photograph each gift every Xmas and birthday so one day they will know we cared but it's tortuous, my best friend advises dontnkeep sending the gifts are probably binned I know she doesn't want me hurt anymore

It's damn hard.

Rhinestone your u are right what will the children think? It's no example to give is it,

Worst of all is feeling so ill and knowing my daughter I would have died for a d gave total emotional and Financial suport to just ignore her dad letter telling her,
Hard very hard to know she doesn't care about her own mum and dad.

Eddiecat ??sometimes aftershave does smell wonderful doesn't it?

He may have been embarrassed but expect pleased had you u asked!

I agree perfumes seem different on different people that's fact I believe.
Not quite so keen on youth dew now but dh bought me another set bless him.

Well got him through another online exam last night they are e trembly difficult!

Celeb - you are amazing! An online exam!! You have all your worries - physical and emotional - and you keep on socialising and working and now you tell us you are taking exams!!
I don`t know how anyone could ever accuse you of "wallowing" in your sadness. There aren`t enough hours in the day for all that you do and spend time wallowing!

Keep on going - you are in inspiration!

Thanks eddiecat it's lovley of you to say that!

I do find keeping busy is answer ?.

Managed take dh work and hope go acquacise despite my d friend unwell so she not going, a. Bit concerned one of my tests abnormal but seeing dr tomorrow.

It's very cold here today on the coast ❄️?

Celeb. Coty L'aiment was my mums favourite perfume! Wasn't it a little black bottle with a small spatula that you applied it with - it was sort of 'creamy' as I remember? I liked Helena Rubinstein's Appleblossom and Revlon's Aquamarine - giving my age away now! These days it's Chanel Cristalle but only buy at Duty Free!

Regarding how grandkids might feel when they reach adulthood and wonder why they have never had contact with their grandparents:

My mum was estranged from my grandparents (all of them). I never met any of them. Ironically, not long after she died 3 years ago, I discovered that my paternal grandfather had died in 1970 and had lived not 20 miles away from where I now live. He had died alone. I was very sad because I also discovered that I was his only grandchild. My dad (who died when I was very young) had two siblings,and they had also died in their 30's neither being married or having children. Along with this info I also found that a lot of what my mother had said about my grandfather was simply untrue. She told me he had lied about his WW1 service and that 'he 'was never in the army.' And yet I found his military records and a bravery award. I went through a period of actually grieving for my grandfather and also anger at my mother. Had my mum been alive when I made these discoveries it would seriously have affected my relationship with her. I have yet to forgive her. I have five half siblings but they were fortunate enough to at least know their dads side of the family.

So, you see - cutting out family and lying about it has serious repercussions down the line.

Fairydoll sorry to hear about your earlier family estrangement, there are sometimes long term consequences after someone or several people block people out.

I was given Youth Dew by my lovely MiL when first married as a young woman - it was my first 'real perfume'. Before that I had worn cheap Woollies stuff.

And I agree Fairydoll Chanel Cristalle is lovely but very expensive in the UK. Duty Free a possibility..

Thank you for sharing that Fairydollit was very moving. If we never move again, and I doubt either of our nerves could stand it, and if our ES and his family stay where they are, our GC will grow up just 25 miles away from us the GP's that they'll probably never know.

If only it were possible for stories such as yours to be read by the AC estranging themselves and their children from parents and GP's. It might make them understand that their are likely to be repercussions for their relationships with their own children.

Fairydoll your post bought lump to my throat

Your poor grandad,!

I feel these three little girls may well Be our only grandchildren and it makes me too sad to even outninto words the sense of loss and betrayal,

Even if our son has a family it will still be so deeply sad for us all our lives to live with the sense of loss, i some ways it would have been better to never met our beloved xxxxxxx as the pain of being stopped seeing hernafter we formed bond and loved her so was unimaginable,

On lighter note yes you can still buy the cream perfume version of l aimant in black bottle ! Also sprays, talc and traditional eau de parfumerie

My favourite Chanel is no. Five, and also Chance, in fact I think I have new one in drawer Reminder have a check,!

Smilless who knows what our grandkids will be told, I would imagine not much truth, anyone could work outmall love and support we gave
Our daughter we could hardly be the monsters of the situation,
I can't bear to dwell on it,

Anyone remember "Aqua Manda"?! (Take me back to the 70s someone)

Usually linked with Woodpecker Cider - but I`d better not dwell on that!!

Yes, I remember eddiecat the perfume AND the cider

Remember Aquamanda!

What about Revlon's Charlie? I couldn't handle it if someone had doused themselves in it. Strong!

When I was in the WRAF, an airmen I had met briefly before he was posted to the Middle East sent me Jean Patou 'Joy'. At the time, I didn't appreciate how expensive that perfume was, and squirted it around some of my colleagues at work. Looking back, what a waste and what a bloody idiotic thing to do.

Eddiecat so pleased the wedding went well but such a shame the DGS couldn't attend because of their mother. What is it with some of these women?? For sure their chickens will come home to roost.

What about "the great smell of Brut"?????

(mis-spent youth - but it was fun!)

I used to buy that for my dad and the scent of it still reminds me of him as does 'Old Spice'. My favourite for Mr. S. is 'Farenheit'; makes me go weak at the knees.

Keep me away from Mr S Smileless - it`s my favourite too! Mr E really liked the soap but they seem to have stopped making it

Oh it's ck one Calvin Klein I love Gra to wear or Paul smith one with stripes on box!

Omg aqua manda! I always hated brut so strong!

Revlon Charlie I keep bottle in downstairs loo have spritz occasionally isn't cheap air freshner?? I used to love it yonks ago!

Perfumes they do release memories.

Anyone remember a Faberge scent called 'wood' something? Or kiku?

They were cheap and teenagers wore them in my day...aaah Brut, many parties I remember dancing close to some youth doused in Brut...innocence....

Now I adore Safari for men and Paco Rabbanne....a bit more expensive than Brut....

When my DS was a teenager, he wore Lnyx as did his friends.....always too much....funny to look back...

I wore Kiku Sparkly! It was in a squat shaped yellow bottle and was around for ages. I remember Brut too, many a dance in discos, snuggled up close and your boyfriend reeking of that. My DH always wore Tabac and I loved that. Brings back so many memories.