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How far would you go to be with your children?

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hondagirl Tue 02-May-17 07:15:41

Some of you may have read my other post under 'Children in Australia' and I was just wondering what members think about children moving away. Would you follow them and how far would you go? We have moved to the other side of the world to be with our children - We originally intended to emigrate when the kids were young but it didn't work out and then it was Son-in-law who brought about the move. We thought both our kids would be here so for us it was a no brainer and we thought well, better late than never. Long story, and I have already talked about this on the other thread, but we have ended up on our own here now, although I do have a sister and her family not too far away.

I know some people think you should never follow your children but as I said it was just a dream that had been postponed and my daughter said to us that she didn't want to emigrate unless we and her brother came too.

We are beginning to wish we hadn't done it but as son-in-law is the main earner we cannot say anything to our daughter as she obviously has to go where he can find work, and we don't want her to feel guilty.

I do know of lots of other parents who are applying for visas to come to Australia and there are forums full of them. I also know of children who are worrying about their now elderly parents and trying to get them over here so they can care for them.

BlueBelle Wed 03-May-17 07:17:08

I too have three children in three different countries and although I miss them dearly I m glad I have given them the confidence and independence to live their own lives and not expect them to live mine

hondagirl Wed 03-May-17 07:30:50

Thanks for all your replies. There are some interesting and widely differing opinions. Nice to hear that Lesley4375 also feels like us. I would also like to point out that we are extremely proud of both our children and understand that things are the way they are as we have brought them both up to be independent minded. That said, we are an extremely close family and we were always brought up with a sense of duty and have looked after parents/grandparents etc. We don’t necessarily think they should look after us, but both our children have found it very hard coping with the fact of DH’s illness being so far away. We also understand that DD has a duty to do the best for her own family now but it still doesn’t help the way we feel.

Could we go back to the UK Mumofmadboys? It is something we have been debating on and off for nearly 2 years. It is expensive here, although some things are cheaper and we are dependent on the exchange rate. The main thing is you cannot get any pension/help from the government for 10 years so that makes it hard.
We nearly went back when they moved away, but it cost us nearly 50,000 pounds to get here and so we thought we should give it a go, at least they were in the same country, but we didn’t realise how hard it would be. Plus internal flights here are very expensive. We have to take a 5 hour flight and then another of an hour and a half to get to them. Also the exchange rate is a factor, plus if we sold here we would lose so much money in fees (estate agents make a bomb!) and so it is a bit risky as to whether we could afford a decent house in the UK. Plus, I don’t know where we would go as we have no close family in the UK and couldn’t afford to go back to the village where we lived before so we would literally be starting again. We were on the verge of planning to go back for several months to see how we got on and do some research tied in with a visit to our son but then we had the bombshell of DHs illness and had to cancel it all while he underwent treatment. The future is a bit uncertain in that respect so we need to stay put at the moment where he can get the best treatment.
I think it is the grandchildren we miss the most. They are both quite young and apart from us missing them we feel they are being deprived of the relationship they could have with us and we feel we have a lot to offer. When we first came over to Australia we were able to offer a lot of support to our daughter as DSiL worked away all week. Having spent so much time with them I feel like lesley4357 that my heart has been ripped out. Especially now that DH is ill with an uncertain future he feels he is missing out on time spent with them.
As I said, it was a long term project for us all to emigrate as a family. It just so happens we had to wait 2 years before our daughter could sponsor us for a visa and DS changed his mind after we moved here.
We are not trying to live our lives through our children, but would like to have some form of family life. We gave up a lot to be here and I am not sure if it was worth it.

Norah Wed 03-May-17 07:46:20

My children live close by. I can help with GC easily and I like to help. We wouldn't follow one and leave the others, we're fairly well planted, we've always lived here.

W11girl Wed 03-May-17 09:06:20

I am planning to return to London 1) to be near my son and his partner who I have a great relationship with....we miss each other all the time. 2) London is where I was born and lived for 50 years, I moved North 11 years ago with my husband and have spent most of my time going up and down to London to be with my son and other family members and really don't know much about where I currently live...so I won't miss it when I go!

grandma60 Wed 03-May-17 12:40:25

My DDs mother in law stated that if one of her children and their family moved away she would move to be exactly half way between them both.
Well that's ok but our daughter and family live about 20mins away from us on the South coast whilst my son and family live in Scotland. I suppose this means we should live somewhere near Manchester. Not much help to any of us.hmm

Bluebell123 Wed 03-May-17 18:32:08

Dear hondagirl, Because of your DH's health your life seems to be on hold at the moment but I'm wondering if you would feel better if you made some tentative plans to visit your DD,SIL and grandchildren so that you have something to look forward to when husband is well enough to fly. In the meantime can you and DH have some days out together to enjoy what Oz has to offer?

willa45 Wed 03-May-17 20:10:33

It all depends on how permanent the move is. When families are transferred for job related reasons, they usually get relocated again within five years sometimes sooner. Too many retirees make the big move (leaving friends and other family members) only to get stuck in a bind when the kids have to relocate again. My eldest and her husband relocated several times. He had to change jobs so they could come home again. Now they live about an hour away and staying put was the best thing we did, in retrospect.

hondagirl Thu 04-May-17 02:38:54

Yes Bluebell123, we are trying to plan a trip to see the family and grandchildren. It's frustrating at the moment as we are unable to book anything till we know the outcome of DHs treatment. If it's bad news and they still need to operate then they will do so immediately and then he won't be going anywhere for some time.

We are trying to get out and about as much as we can but it's difficult with daily visits to hospital plus DH doesn't really feel up to it although he is coming to the end of treatment soon so hopefully things will improve for a while.

absent Thu 04-May-17 06:01:34

I travelled as far as you can before you start coming back in 2013. My only daughter flew to New Zealand from the UK when she was 17 – letting her go and, indeed, helping her do so, was probably the most difficult and painful thing I have ever done as I was sure, as I watched her dance through the departure gate at Heathrow, that she would never return to live in the UK again. (I was right.)

I was there for her first marriage which I was certain was a mistake, but I had said my piece, she refuted it and I wasn't going to argue any further. I was there, at her request, in the delivery room when her first child was born. She brought him to the UK (at my expense but her ghastly flight) to show him to his surviving great grandparents. Such a joy for my ageing mother! I sat on the phone through the night offering love and support when her marriage was falling apart and her husband became abusive. Two weeks after my mother's death and my father-in-law's death on the same day, I sat on the phone offering as much and love and support as I could about the tiny, frail, massively premature granddaughter who had just been born.

Mr absent and I travelled to see her on a number of occasions – for three months on one memorable and glorious occasion – and paid for her, her partner (now her husband) and two of her children to visit us.

We could not have emigrated to New Zealand without the support of absentdaughter and her husband as we were too old for any criteria except the unique family one. As Mr absent had some health problems, which the immigration health inspector persisted in believing were far more serious than they are, we endured endless delays and sorting documents before we obtained residency. Absentdaughter was seriously on the case with endless e-mails to counter the health accusations.

We live 15 minutes' drive from absentdaughter's house and 4 minutes walk from the school that three of the younger children attend. They are here four afternoons a week after school days (and two mornings for breakfast). I no longer have number five for one day a week when we would go to the Aquatic Centre because he began school this year. I do look after number six for two full days a week. My daughter could not do the really worthwhile and responsible, but very satisfying job she has without my input on childcare.

I do far more childcare – especially in the holidays – than originally planned and I do get desperately tired. I haven't made many new friends and, as I am quite a sociable person, I feel a bit lonely some of the time. I am still living in a quite an expensive, although not particularly glorious rental house while trying to sell my houses in the UK so I can buy one here. (I have to jiggle the timing because I need the rent from them to pay my own way.)

This is not quite the life I envisaged but…one of my granddaughters rang this evening to ask if I could help with some homework tomorrow morning after she has had her breakfast here. (It involves having full-cream milk and absentdaughter always buys skim.) Of course I can help – I know what she has to do – and I am happy to be here to be the one to help. Tiny but important.

I have had moments when I have thought about returning to the UK – a very expensive business – but in my heart I don't want to and helping my granddaugher is just one reason why.

hondagirl Thu 04-May-17 07:01:11

You obviously understand the pull of family and in particular grandchildren, absent. Well done for following your dreams. It is not easy at our age! It is a gamble but I am glad it worked out for you.

Anya Thu 04-May-17 07:43:25

That's a lovely post Absent. It is hard to make new friends at our age when we move away from those we have known for years. But there are compensations, such as the amazingly close relationship with our grandchildren, and your only daughter. I'm sure you are very much loved and appreciated, even if they don't always show it.

I think the saddest thing in the world is to have no one who loves you.

eddiecat78 Thu 04-May-17 08:01:49

My 93 year old father lives in a care home 5 minutes away from me. Because I am so close he expects me to visit every day - is becoming increasingly dependent and demanding - and I am becoming increasingly resentful. Other residents see little of their family who live further away and actually seem more settled.

At one point I thought that when we retire it would be good to buy a house big enough for us to have half and our daughter the other. Now I wouldn`t dream of doing that as I don`t want her to end up feeling about me as I do about my father.

Louizalass Fri 05-May-17 17:18:34

We have a son in Australian (he has no children) and a daughter who lives in the States (she has two children). Both have urged us to go live with them or near them! Hmm! I'd love to be nearer to help my daughter with our grandchildren but I fear two things: daughter & her husband moving to another State (possible, they've already done that once) and us getting old and decrepit in a country where healthcare isn't a given if you don't have good insurance or funds.

My preference would be Australia (no guns!) but again, we're getting towards 70 now and we really don't want to be a burden on our son and his wife.

My other fear is that my husband will be the first to go (he has heart problems) and I'll be left here without any family at all! We live in Scotland and my own family live scattered around England so I'd be alone.

For that reason alone, if I had the opportunity and able to afford it, I would move to Australia and, if I became ga-ga, just tell me son to drop me from a surf board!