Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

Luckylegs, God bless you! That was a beautiful sacrifice you made for the sake of your gc!

But yes, better they not be caught in the middle of conflict.

I have a hard time agreeing about the children not knowing anything different. Maybe that's true for our youngest as we only saw him three or four times when he was a baby but the almost seven year old would remember I would think. What did his parents tell him? What does he think in his child's mind...that we don't love him ? What poison do our children spew? I'm glad my DD's children don't know or care that Papa is not blood. Will our EGC be mad at their parents later on for this alienation? For the wasted years? My head is full of these questions.
I can't sleep again.

Hope you managed to get off to sleep Rhinestone, I do that sometimes, go to bed, start thinking then find I can't 'switch off'; it's frustrating isn't it.

Mr. S. bless him worries about what out GC have been and will be told but I don't think about it. What's the point? We have no control over it so what's the point in worrying about it.

Maybe one day they'll seek us out but if they don't, they'll inherit their memory box and at least one day they'll know that they were loved by us.

Rhinestone. Whilst I agree with LuckyLegs that children will believe what their parents tell them re estrangement - that is only true up to a point. I never met my paternal grandparents and my mother told me they were dreadful people. Shortly after her death, and quite by chance, I discovered that my grandfather was mentioned in a book. I contacted the author who put me in touch with the book researchers and I subsequently learned a lot about my grandparents and, indeed, about my paternal family tree. None of what my mother had told me was true. It's difficult to be so angry with a dead mother.

Lovely email from ds still so far away bless him he reckons I am now bionic mum!
Well I guess I will be with titanic screws

Yesterday was very very sad, I just couldn't stop crying when theatre nurse asked if I had ? children. I felt sooo embarrassed and mumbled yes but sadly estranged from daughter,
She was so kind and didn't probe.
Being so near to ed house at hospital was not going be easy.
We still so tired from drive too.

Smilelss dh got on so well with your dh didn't he? So did I it felt like we been friends for years which of course we have.
Dear jxxxxxx elderly friend 93 who rosie sits got us fabulous card and some ruby port! Bless at her age is incredible,

She had rosie yesterday and today too she is like a mum to me love her,

We just had invite to friends beach hut for food drinks sat evening yippee,

My dear little gt niece is poorly assign sickness so hope still able see them tomorrow as little gt. Nephew is 1 on Friday !

We had massive storm but is still v humid,

I had upper abdomen scan today all good.

Oh for a break from hospitals!

Love to all yes great see you posting northern soul,

Celeb. Hope you don't mind but you gave me a much needed laugh today.

titanic screws - just hope they're not too rusty!

You'lol be in need of and

Oh I do feel for you,Celeb..heartbreaking, but you are very brave and have courage too.
We are all with you.It is clear you give out much love to all and have it returned freely.

NSxx

Fairydoll is all true my,screws are made of titanium!

Yes starlady better for who though? We have 3 Gra daughters losing out on love support from loving grandparents boood uncle and dozens extended family.

No one wants conflict and lucklylegs you are very self sacrificing to walk away,

We should have done that 8 years ago so much heartache so many parcels, vouchers posted with hope to 3 little girls we love but can never see,

Celeb - I`m losing track - when is your op? It`s going to be very crowded in the operating theatre with all of us there to keep an eye on you and making sure everything goes perfectly

I love your typos (predictive textt?) Celeb but 'titanic' screws has to rank as one of the best!

Celeb, do hope you feeling little better,not long now and you will be on the mend. A truly bionic woman or should I say titanium woman. It was not self sacrificing to walk away, I had no option as I have explained. My granddaughter has believed whatever my d has said and we have no memories to connect anymore, I have to face that, to the day I die, that gap can't be filled, but I have to carry on for me, my son and other grandchildren whom I love to bits. I still suffer bouts of self doubt and depression because of my loss, especially this week, our birthdays.,It is too late when we are dead for them to be sorry. It is not my gd fault she has been kept away from me, so I pray every day she is happy, her mom too, she must have her reasons, she doesn't want to resolve anything, she is happier this way. It is just confirming to know that I am not alone. ?

Sorry correct u fairydoll but it wasn t typo that is what they are called screws made from titanium are called titanic!

I am expert in This field now!

I do understand you couldn't t be expected to know this!

Oh lucklegs ??so very sorry that you have been upset by your mutual birthdays I wish I could cheer you up.

It is so sad and unnecessary is t it ref grandchildren.

We have left note with our will and solicitor has instructions to give each gran daughter speciic bequests along with the notes so theynwill know we always loved them and it was t our wish, we tried all we could.

I feel very blessed as my dear sister came visit this evening and we had wonderful time shenreally spoilt us gorgeous bouquet and prosecco and beautiful card.

I am so very glad that this olive branch turned out so well.

Big hugs lucklegs please don't be too down xx

Aaagh Eddie cat bless you it is Monday August 7th.

I was so tearful yesterday I wondered shall I write to xxx again and say how scared and anxious I am but then I realised it would be Ridiculous to humiliate myself any further.

Smileless Yogagirl sometimes we all have such a lot of emotion to deal with, but meeting up would be a good idea.

So glad celebgran and Smileless that your meet up went well.

Luckylegs I agree, not wanting to seek contact best idea.

It would be great for those of who want too, to meet up Sparkly, perhaps we could all put our thinking caps on and come up with an easily accessible place for us to get together.

We could have a theme and 'The Wizzard of Oz' springs to mind. Someone will need to bring an oil can for Celeb's screws. No need for you Celeb to ask for a heart like the tin man of course, because it's obvious how big yours is. We could ask the wizzard to give to our EAC some of the courage given to the cowardly lion then they might be able to tell us why they're doing what they are; we could also ask him to give them a brain so they can see how stupid they've been and continue to be.

I'm sure we all have someone to nominate for the wicked witch but that's OK, we can have several. Bagsy I get to wear the red shoes.

Celebyou're doing so well and our bound to get more nervous and emotional as the date for your op gets nearer. All surgery is worrying and this is a major procedure; it's wonderful that you and your sister are getting on as you and Mr. C. are going to need as much support as you can get.

It must have been quite a shock Fairydoll finding out that your mother had lied to you all those years about your GP's. I can understand why you'reand it must be very frustrating not to be able to ask her why; I wonder what she'd have said.

Quite like the idea of being a munchkin,Smileless.
Think you may have competition with the ruby shoes ?

If we do get to meet up it may be best to use pm...wicked witch will be watching!

Good wishes to you all

NS

FAIRYDOLL Did you resent your mom after you found out about your grandparents? Were you just angry?
CELEBGRAN You will be better than the scarecrow,lion and tin man. They didn't have titanium. And then you will be on that yellowbrick road to good health. I know it's scary to think of what's ahead but you will come thru with flying colors.
Remind me again when it is.

What is it you're having done celebgran? Is it a laminectomy?

you're right about competition for the ruby shoes NS but not from you surely; wont they be too big for a munchkin?

? very good,smokeless er sorry Smileless...we munchkins come in all shapes and sizes also possess magic powers!?

Rhinestone

Yes, I was very very angry with my mum but she had died only 6 months before. Had she been alive when I discovered the truth about my grandfather she would have been horrified and probably said that the book was wrong!

The most poignant thing about what I learned was that my grandad had died alone in a small town not far from where my DH lived, and in the year we were married.

FairydollThe advantage our grandchildren will have today is that there is so much info out there about our names and where we live that if they wanted to do so they could find us.And I know many GC will do so.
I wish you had the moment to confront your mom about the estrangement.
There is a FB group of egp and I'm horrified at some of the stories.

You would say that Norah being the only grandparent in your 4 AC's C [your GC] lives! re post Tue 18.47