Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

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Rhinestone I'm thinking it may have been on the answer machine recording.

Northernsoul good post

I'm still how can GNHQ accuse you of troll hunting when that word was never mentioned in the post you've had deleted?

You read my post correctly Rhinetone we were indeed quite good friends, especially me and ED.i.l.'s mother. We often got together for meals and even went on holiday a couple of times. It's true isn't it that fact is often stranger than fiction.

She didn't want her parents at their wedding. Her parents gave them money toward the cost so I did suggest that as they weren't wanted it might be appropriate to return it. ES said they did but they sent it back again. Bearing in mind that they are benefiting from our money and my brother's money in their house even though he like us is CO, I find it hard to believe that her parents money was every returned.

Great post Northernsoul

Smileless Did you stop talking to EDIL's parents after the estrangement?
Have you thought of calling her and talking ? When I ran into my EDIL's mom she did say she was on our side and had told my ESS that life was too short to behave like this.
Maybe just maybe you could get a clearer picture of what they are mad about?? Just a thought ..

It was a very difficult situation when ES's wife fell out with her parents. She'd not had the easiest of childhood's, they could be very difficult and their relationship was, shall we say rather toxic. Our ES was furious with what had happened in the months leading up to the wedding. I was very concerned that by excluding them, the relationship could be permanently damaged.

She had made a couple of calls to Mr. S., running her daughter down which at the time we found very hard to take, that said, the things she was saying turned out to be true resulting in our estrangement with our sonalthough we didn't believe them at the time.

We stopped contacting them and they us. There was a wedding blessing here in the UK a few months after the wedding and her parents were there but we each kept our distance.

When our eldest GC was Christened, ES's wife asked if we would mind her parents sitting with us in the church. The pew had a large card on it saying 'For the GP's' and we said of course it would be OK.

It was a little awkward to begin with but by the time the service was over and we went to the 'do' things were OK but our ES's animosity toward his parents' in law continued it seems up until the time we were cut out.

Her parents divorced some time ago and between the births of their first and second child her mother was cut out for about 18 months but her father never appeared to be. Now she's 'back in' again and sees hers and of course our GC; don't know about him. We noticed before we moved that his visits were becoming less frequent.

I remember during one conversation with our ES prior to the estrangement he told me "I wouldn't leave my bloody dog alone with them", seems he's quite happy to leave his children with their GM who now is a damn site more favourable in his eyes than we are.

Smilessless Below is the message from GNHQ;

We feel that this post goes too far, and as you are aware we do not tolerate troll hunting, so we have deleted it.

Best,

GNHQ

A bit of an aside I'm afraid, but what's troll hunting?

NorthernSoul well said about us all being 'blind sided'...

Smileless good to hear...

How is celeb doing this evening?

Eglantine I don't know, you would have to ask GNHQ as their words, not mine.

I'll google it!

Responding to your last post with a pm Yogagirl

off to work now, chat tomorrow xx

Thanks for pm Smileless

Yogagirl some of your post have been so far out of line that I'm surprised they haven't banned you.
Maybe the troll hunting refers to your paranoia that every person who posts here with a different opinion to yours is accused of being an estranged child... seems you can't comprehend that your opinion may possibly not be the right opinion. Anyhow, I'll just add that I thought poor Norah has had a right bashing from all of your recently too - green eyed monster perhaps?
Norah please do not take parenting advice (I use thst word losely) from some of these people of here.. your obviously doing great as you are so keep at it.

Yawn

Bugsy,am compelled to answer your post because you seem to unable to read what has been written.

I have thanked Norah for her input as has Smileless.
Personally think that Norah is being diplomatic in her relationships she has with her families and that works for her.
Norah didn't need to explain herself or that of her family.
Thought for me she clarified the interaction she has with them and thank her again for her input.

Now, Bugsy, what about you?what can you offer?

I looked on here but haven't read the whole thread because there are 31 pages, and just now is such a bad time. We've been having difficulties on and off with our daughter. I've started two other threads but had the first taken down, I felt it contained too many identifying details. Last week I started a second thread but found some replies quite hurtful, but some were very kind. I'm simply very low, I can't even bring myself to explain, but it's our daughter and grandchildren.

Bugsy obviously finds us all extremely irritating so I don`t understand why she persists in reading these posts. I`m sure she `d find life a lot happier if she just read things that pleased her, and kept away from us

Maddyone - please don`t be put off by the odd nasty comment. You don`t have to explain your situation but there are lots of people here who understand and wish you all the best

Thank you Eddie, I'm just beside myself with grief and despair, I can't even stop crying. I love them so much.

Maddyone,welcome...take your time,be reassured you are amongst friends.
You don't have to 'spell out' your situation.

Remember you are not alone.

Yes, welcome maddyone. Even though we don't know the details of your sad situation we know and understand your pain and suffering so you don't have to explain.

I hope you know that you are welcome here and that we will give you as much care and support as we can.

Bugsy - you are so aptly named. I cannot understand why you feel the need to post on this thread (although, of course, you are entitled to). You appear to utterly lack compassion or empathy for estranged parents/grandparents. I don't think Norah has 'taken a bashing' . She appears perfectly able to put her points across. Her situation is somewhat unique in that all her daughters are married to men who are estranged from their parents. This may have coloured her viewpoint on how estrangement can have far reaching effects on the extended family and perhaps makes her at odds with other posters. That's all.

buggsy Norah has not been bashed by everyone on this thread. You should do as NS suggests and read the posts before you comment as she has said, both she and I thanked Norah for sharing some information about the estrangements of her sons in law.

I have no idea why GNHQ accused Yogagirl of troll hunting as she hasn't referred to anyone as being a troll and she has also apologised to mumofbadboys.

None of Yogagirl's posts "have been so far out of line" that she should be considered worthy of being banned. Now, if you have something constructive to add to this thread, and yes even constructive criticism, then please do so. If you only wish to snipe at one of the regular posters any future posts you make will be ignored.

This is a support thread, emotions run high and sometimes posts are made in haste or during the course of a particularly bad day. It might be useful to you if you took that into consideration before having a go at someone who, unless you are also unfortunate enough to be estranged, is living with a pain that I doubt you could ever imagine.