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Madmeg Mon 12-Jun-17 21:16:32

I've been married for almost 45 years. It's not been a brilliant marriage, but we've loved and raised two children, done well in our careers, enjoyed reasonably good health and are not strapped for cash.

Apologies for the long rant.

We took early retirement about 7 years ago and spent the first 4 years bringing our shabby house up to date (mostly done by ourselves). We never really discussed what we wanted to do in retirement but I know he always wanted to improve his photography skills, see a bit of the world and have a model railway (he has most of the kit in boxes). None of it has happened, and he doesn't show any interest in making it, or anything else, happen.

He sleeps 10 hours plus a night, so it's late morning before he gets up, so too late to go anywhere interesting. He thinks that driving 10 miles is a long journey, so being in a rural area means even the next town is too far for him.

He has no plans for the rest of his/our life. It is down to me to organise holidays and he tags along. It is down to me to arrange to visit our girls and grandchildren, and he doesn't seem particularly interested in doing anything with them (they are aged 5 and 3) - he sits in a chair and watches them play. He would happily stay at home every day and potter.

His conversation is non-existent. Today I tried to discuss the success or otherwise of comprehensive schools and he seems to have forgotten what they were, calling them Secondary Moderns, and telling me that our daughters went to grammar schools (they didn't). And this is a man who spent years of his life involved in politics, both local and national, and whose career was in Higher Education. The conversation ended with me in tears cos his arguments were factually wrong and he couldn't see that they were. He told me I was being bossy.

The girls have noticed all this too, and basically have stopped including him in conversations involving anything that requires advice or an opinion - they just ask me, and welcome my input. The most they get from him is "I don't know" or worse, incorrect advice, or even worse a badly-told joke instead that they have heard tens of times before.

Before we took early retirement 7 years ago he talked of developing his photography skills, travelling Europe in our caravan, setting up a model railway (he has all the kit in boxes in the loft). But he's made no effort to pursue any of these. I found him a photography class but after a few sessions he declared it wasn't useful to him. I have drawn up plans to convert our garage for a fabulous model railway but he has barely looked at them saying he is "not sure about it". As for travelling Europe, he now thinks a ten-mile journey is long-distance and suddenly has declared that he has always hated driving - this man had a Triumph Spitfire when I met him!

He is slow and plodding at everything now (he never was fast, but it all seems worse), declaring that "it is bad for you to rush about" and "I like taking my time". Meanwhile I am boiling with rage inside. Even his speech is now laboriously slow, and I've noticed friends losing concentration and wandering off before he has finished his point - which is usually not even interesting.

Everyone thinks he is a "nice man", and he is. He wouldn't ever insult anyone or hurt any living thing. But two friends recently told me "He's a lovely man, but heck, he's hard work isn't he?".

He's nearly 71 (I'm 65). Is this what 71-year-olds are supposed to be like and am I being unrealistic expecting him to have enthusiasm for things? I certainly still have plans and enthusiasm, and could cheerfully take myself off alone to do them, but I'd much rather we did it as a couple, or at least know that if I were off doing something, he would be doing his own thing too.

How do I spend the rest of my life with this bore? Can I chivvy him up in some way to be more lively and positive? When people ask how he is, his standard reply is "Oh, not too bad considering". Considering what? He is fit as a flea.

I say he is as fit as a flea. This is another bugbear (and I apologise again for the length of my post). As I said earlier, his hobby involves politics, so you can imagine that with County Council elections in May and the General Election in June, we have been out delivering leaflets every day. Except I have delivered 80% of them myself, either because he was too tired to come with me, or because he was so slow. I must add that I am not fit. I am more than a little in the obese range on the charts, and he is at the bottom end of "overweight". One particular day we were delivering on a modern estate of semis and I devised a route for each of us that would end up back at the car. If either of us got to the car first, we would carry on and meet the other later down the road. So I did my half, and back to the car. I carried on. And on. And on. By now I was worrying that I was sticking a leaflet through a door he had already done. So I phoned him. Yes, he was fine, he was just round the corner. I had delivered 175 leaflets to his 35. When I queried it with him I was told that his arthritis was playing up. What arthritis? Never been mentioned before. But okay, his knee was hurting. A few days later we were doing another round with the same plan but I made sure that his houses had no steps or steep drives. I did 160 with steps and slopes to his 20 on the flat. His response was "Just because you can go like fury doesn't mean I have to do the same". But surely that isn't normal to have done so little? Is it another example of him having no enthusiasm?

Sorry for the long post, I didn't know what to leave out to give you a proper picture.

grannybuy Tue 13-Jun-17 11:03:21

Feel for you Madmeg. My DH is possibly suffering from dementia, probably related to Parkinsons. I say possibly because medical opinion is a little divided. Unfortunately, I live with it, while medical people just don't get the whole picture, no matter how hard I try. The advice to get out and do your own thing is good, so do it now while you can. We're at the stage where plans often end up being aborted or cancelled before they begin. Sorry, today not a good one. It may well be nothing drastic at all, though, so sooner checked the better, though I understand this might not be easy. Try to persuade him to seek help with something that maybe does bother him, and it could be taken from there. As others have suggested, get GP to call him in for a supposed 'well man' check. Good luck.

NanaandGrampy Tue 13-Jun-17 11:05:35

Some very good points Radicalnan - maybe that IS he question the OP should be asking herself 'what or who is she raging at'?

I think the whole medical route is an excellent idea but after that the OP must consider what WILL make her happy and shoot for that - even if its leaving her husband at home. There's no rule to say you must be joined at the hip- in fact I think its healthy not to be. It enables each party to bring something new to the table.

Good luck in finding a path that works for you both .

Veda Tue 13-Jun-17 11:09:45

Sounds like my situation. Life has come to a complete standstill. Literally as well as my husband's problem because I badly broke my foot. Not a good idea.

monkeebeat Tue 13-Jun-17 11:21:40

Madmeg
My thoughts. Depression. Underactive Thyroid. Early Dementia. Talk to your GP. Get him to go for a check up.

Strugglinabit Tue 13-Jun-17 11:23:30

Neighbour had a similar problem and had asked the GP to send her husband a letter for a routine MOT. He did go but refused to let his wife go to the appointment and when she tried to find out - GP was unable to discuss anything due to confidentiality issues. In fact, he did have the onset of dementia, later became abusive and short-tempered. It sounds hard and was, but finally he had a stoke and never survived.
A change in behaviour or slow decline does indicate there is a problem, whether mental or physical. My very energetic and physically active husband is now lethargic and sleeps a lot and is happiest in his chair. Sometimes I think we expect too much of ageing bodies, some age faster than others due to genetic, environmental and lifestyle factors. I have never found anyone who thinks ageing is a piece of cake - but something to be endured and managed with fortitude and humour where possible.

annsixty Tue 13-Jun-17 11:24:27

Oh the weather thing!!
It's raining , no I think it has stopped no it's still raining.
Not abreathof wind today no clouds are moving , will you just look at those clouds.
What a day I have never seen rain like it, it has rained every day for weeks, this is the worst rain I have ever seen!!
From 8am until bedtime unless something equally riveting happens such as on Wed which day are you going shopping? How will you get there? How will you get back? This goes on until Fri/Sat which ever day I choose.
If we didn't laugh we would scream.

Rcoll8536 Tue 13-Jun-17 11:24:43

What astonishes me is that you have constantly criticised him. Does it not occur to you that this could be something serious. Hopefully not, but many things immediately spring to mind.

Carol1ne63 Tue 13-Jun-17 11:31:14

Sounds as if he may be depressed. I'd say a health check too - not just a physical check

farmgran Tue 13-Jun-17 11:31:50

Annsixty, yours sounds the same as mine grin He keeps saying perfectly still out there, not a breath of wind. We've got big windows so he gets a really good view of the weather!

topsyturvey Tue 13-Jun-17 11:37:07

My husband is 72 and had a mild heart attack three years ago, resulting in a stent.

He has taken at least 2 yrs to get back to normal - he was irritable, irrational and depressed. My daughters didnt see it and castigated me for being selfish and demanding.
He and is now fit and active, working in an advisory capacity a couple of days a week, walking and helping out in a small way with our smallholding and two holiday lets.
However, although he is still very competent with his job, he is very vague on a domestic front, very forgetful (but so am I at 66)and has trouble processing simple tasks or plans.

He is very easily disorientated in an unfamiliar situation - like driving in a strange place - and immediately becomes panicky and loses his temper. It is tricky to say the least, and my children are now becoming aware of it.
But a busy home life and part time work I am sure keep him in good nick, much as he complains at times that there is far too much to do and too many people coming and going.

My guess is that there is more than one interlinked cause which
adds up to an unmotivated poorly functioning DH: depression stemming from lack of a career framework, which builds upon itself.: No direction, no obvious role in life and no mental energy to address it.
Yes he may well have early signs of Dementia, but that is not the whole story. Somehow you need to find a way to coax him into a new interest, perhaps with friends. short walks in nice countryside, a pub lunch, nothing too demanding but its amazing how a bit of fresh air and excercise can revitalise a tired outlook on life. Have you got a dog??

My bet is that your DH has not got anything seriously clinically wrong but has sunk into a depressive torpor.
Given half a chance my DH would be very similar but he has to keep working to pay the mortgage!

I would advise seeing your doctor yourself and explaining your fears. He/she may well agree to to encourage him to attend an appointment for a general health check up, and she may well suggest setting up sessions with a mental health counsellor. They can work wonders- I know from experience.
Good luck!!

legray22 Tue 13-Jun-17 11:45:39

I totally agree...

Raine Tue 13-Jun-17 11:48:20

My friends husband has been diagnosed with dementia . & for a few years before was showing loss of interest & quite difficult to get along with.
They were busy farmers ( cattle) , but he very gradually ground to a halt.
A health check etc for your hubby would be a wise step.

kittylester Tue 13-Jun-17 11:52:38

I think gps are more open to listening to relatives now although they obviously can't break confidentiality after.

wilygran Tue 13-Jun-17 11:54:19

Hi Madmeg I can see how irritating and infuriating the situation is for you, but I agree with others that this sounds very much like a health problem. It is so hard to slow down to the pace of somebody who suddenly becomes old before what you had imagined to be his time. Your life changes so much and it is something that takes a while to get your head round the alteration to your lifestyle.
I'm in a similar situation and BlueBelle I'm afraid I often feel angry and impatient rather than loving and caring, but like Anya says, you just have to learn strategies for coping and get on with it. Life isn't fair!

Shazmo24 Tue 13-Jun-17 11:57:30

You need to get him to see his GP as something doesn't sound right at all....go with him & explain what his symptoms are But just go

Silversands Tue 13-Jun-17 12:05:47

I really do have sympathy for BOTH of you. How sad that your expectations for retirement have not materialised, but neither have they realised for your husband either.
I am assuming that your first port of call was your family Doctor? It sounds that either your husband has early stage Dementia possibly the result of TIA`s (does he have Hypertension?) or possibly Lewey Bodies Parkinson`s which can result in both the physical symptons one associates with Parkinson`s but sadly also Dementia in some patients as the disease progresses. It is imperative that he receives a full medical examination at an early date.
If you can still drive why not both of you go out for lunch and whilst he sits dozing in the sun (or in the car if its raining) you could wander around the shops. Arrange to meet up with former colleagues on a regular basis or join a Group that shares your interest. You cannot put your life on hold, but perhaps neither can your husband now mentally or physically cope with the retirement you had both hoped for. You have to have a diagnosis and from that point reach out for the assistance you will both need over the coming years.

Jinty44 Tue 13-Jun-17 12:13:18

At the start of your post Madmeg my thoughts were 'depression'. As it progressed, I wondered if there were something else going on. Slowness in movement could point to Parkinson's. Memory (secondary moderns?) could point to dementia.

Regardless of what's going on, medical intervention looks like a must. I hope you can persuade him to see a doctor.

Dharmacat Tue 13-Jun-17 12:16:53

hi Madmeg, I agree with all the posts which conclude that there is probably an underlying medical condition - which should be investigated for the wellbeing of you both. I suspect that this has already crossed your mind and this is part of the rage , helplessness and terror about your future. It is a natural human reaction to feel aggrieved when your life has been changed by something outside your control.
However, I absolutely empathise with you about you "boiling with rage inside"; although wilygran (and others) have pointed out that life is not fair, you feel you have been robbed of a companion and soulmate with whom to explore new horizons in retirement. I felt exactly the same when, at 64 my much older husband was diagnosed with COPD and I was tied to the house unable to go out (he was on an oxygen machine) unless I could find a care-sitter.
I know many Grans are in a similar position caring for husbands and I feel for you all , but Madmeg is still railing against the unfairness of her situation and has to come to terms with what the future holds, I hope the wise words from you all will help to calm her anxiety and move forward.

Redrobin51 Tue 13-Jun-17 12:26:47

My husband is the same but us I'll with depression. Many men who have worked all their lives and plan great things for retirement actually miss all the structure of a working day and he interaction with colleagues and can go into a depression I saw it with my own father. My friends also went like this and it was found in the end he had an underactive Thyroid gland, thyroxin and he was a new man. I honestly feel a health check needs to be done.

I am in the same boat but also my health precludes me from some activities. Been married 43 years, we met at school and sometimes I despair but feel conflicted as I live him dearly but don't like our life. Good luck with everything.x

Blinko Tue 13-Jun-17 12:34:17

When she became terminally ill, my DM used to say sadly, 'They shoot horses, don't they?' Being human is hard sometimes.

Nonnie Tue 13-Jun-17 13:01:02

I agree, he needs to see the doctor.

Persistentdonor Tue 13-Jun-17 13:03:56

Let me say I have only read page one today, as I have to go out in a mo, and I send sympathies for everyone in this difficult situation.

I agree, DOCTOR's appt a.s.a.p. I am distressed to report that I have a friend who has been in a similar situation for a couple of years.

Last week she phoned me in tears. After 2 days complaining about indegestion at bed time, her husband had a massive coronary attack. He had a stent fitted immediately and is now waiting for surgery due to severe blockages to all 4 major heart blood vessels.

Ellie Anne Tue 13-Jun-17 13:13:04

A lot of what you say resonates with me. My husband can stay in the house for days in front of tv or playing patience on laptop. We have no conversation so I wouldn't want to go anywhere with him and we have no,interests in common. We went away with our family this year and it was as if he was not really with us .didnr join in conversations and just followed us about.
I cope by having my own friends and going out a lot but it has affected my mental health. But your husband does sound depressed. I think mine may be too but there is no way he'd admit it.

SusieB50 Tue 13-Jun-17 13:19:19

Think we are married to the same man ! He has had all the health checks - nothing apparently wrong . Just a Difficult Blo.. man !

JanT8 Tue 13-Jun-17 13:23:06

This sounds so much like my husband and , sadly, he was diagnosed with vascular dementia early this year. Mostly all that you've described could fit with him.
If you have a good, understanding GP, then you could go and speak with them before going with your husband. My daughter came with me as we were both worried about my husband's memory, his struggle to find the correct words and the massive change to his personality. Fortunately we have a very supportive GP who wasted no time in referring him to a Memory clinic , who then referred him for a brain scan from which we got the diagnosis. It is a life changer and I sincerely hope that your husband doesn't have the same.
You have my sympathy. X