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Would you lie to such an extreme?

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Anneishere Wed 30-May-18 08:34:35

I have a friend I have known since childhood- we used to travel to school together!! I have been on holidays with her over the years - she is and has always been very attractive and very conscious of looks - she is and has always been very sociable - however she does try to portray to people how insecure she is - and yes to a point she is in many ways - anyway I received a text message from her son some weeks back saying his mother has been in a serious car accident on motor way with a large lorry as a result of which she underwent an eye surgery due to bang on her head and he stressed family and friends must not text her as she is not allowed to look at any screens including tv- and must fully rest at home - I phoned her and she explained how lucky she was feeling to be alive etc etc I was extremely worried for her and after 2weeks she turned up at a family gathering- her eyes looked bad in that they looked bruised and ‘different ‘ and of course no makeup - I could not help but notice how the bags underneath her eyes had disappeared!! The bags were not that bad & she really does look good for her age. I said nothing to no one as felt guilty in what I was thinking. Last night we met for a catch up together with another friend and again she wore no makeup BUT the bags have gone and skin around eyes did look somehow better/ tighter- even the other person said - she has had her eyes done - I have absolutely nothing against anyone who wants cosmetic surgery to make themselves feel better but what I find hard to accept here is fact how she lied to me and family and friends saying she was in a serious car accident causing her to bang head resulting in a eye op thus causing people to really worry - but I also noticed two of her eyes were clearly tampered with? I spent all that week worried sick as her son said she was in hospital- that the surgeons were extremely worried about her but yet she only spent one day in hospital- had no scans?? Over the days nothing was really adding up?? I questioned was I being paranoid? If she has lied I honestly believe that for someone to go to that extreme I.e telling all she was it’s serious car accident to me is just not right / normal? I hope I am wrong - otherwise I would not be able to feel same about her - she has lied before- little lies in that she has put fake tan on but claiming she gets sun quick - I can cope with that sort of harmless lie but not to cause worry on other people! Would you lie to such an extreme?

gmelon Thu 31-May-18 11:24:09

I would not lie in such a way.

My mother was shallow and vain and was not much liked by anyone. She had a few facelifts over the years. Always spun a story about gland operation or mastoid operation. Regularly she'd make up illnesses that would have everyone rallying round , taking her laundry and doing her shopping. Once the morning visitors had gone she'd be off out with a man friend . All the while pretending to be ill in bed and not accepting visitors.
Women weren't worth her time she craved mens attention and money.
Her only value in life was appearance. She also judged others by appearance alone.

As to the friend of OP, this is my opinion.
The scenario described would merit longer in hospital.
Doctors do their rounds daily ,just the once, so she'd be seen several times on the ward over at least a few days. There'd be visits to her bedside from the appropriate consultants.

Taken in to A and E first.
She would have been in an acute assessment ward to begin with. They would arrange an immediate scan.
Then on to an appropriate ward for treatment.
If she was an emergency and had immediate surgety on the same day the accident happened then the gravity of her situation would mean a longer stay.

Apricity Thu 31-May-18 11:47:11

Surely if she is such a long standing friend you are able to say to to her that you don't have a problem if she has chosen to have cosmetic surgery but you do have a problem with the elaborate confection of lies (including involving her own children) that she she has disseminated to her friends.
If she can't have this discussion with a very old friend then perhaps it is a friendship that has reached it's use by date. Or maybe there really is is another explanation? Who knows? Ask her.

I don't see it as a breach of trust because we don't owe it to anyone to explain our every move but it may be a sign that you are no longer on the same page.

Marion58 Thu 31-May-18 11:53:11

I always try to be honest. I was married to a compulsive liar, what a nightmare! I made friends with a girl who told lies and unfortunately had to part company, there was no pointerest in our conversations.

I don't understand why many women are reluctant to say they've had work done. Many so called celebrities deny it ie Joan Collins. We all go the same way as we age!

FarNorth Thu 31-May-18 12:07:38

"This is the natural ME. Aren't I lovely?"

I think that's the impression that some people hope to give. So they don't want to admit to having help with their looks.
That's okay.

What's not okay is telling a tale that causes people to be upset and worried.

Asking about the other people involved, insurance etc could be a way to find out if your friend did lie, Anne.

Peaseblossom Thu 31-May-18 12:37:17

She probably sent you the text message herself. Even if it was from her son’s phone, she could have sent it and then deleted it so he didn’t know.

GabriellaG Thu 31-May-18 12:38:35

Nannan2
Yes, I agree. I could certainly have put the punctuation in, in my head but that is 'blaming' me for not doing just that. Why not ask the OP to address her style of writing? I was not out of order in politely asking her to write in a normal, readable manner. grin

janeainsworth Thu 31-May-18 12:50:25

gmelon it doesn’t say in the OP how long the friend was in hospital, nor how long the interval was between the accident and the text message being sent.
There are a lot of unjustified conclusions being jumped to on this thread and as for the suggestion that the friend commandeered her son’s phone and sent the message herself, all I can say is that some people have nasty suspicious minds. hmm

Aepgirl Thu 31-May-18 13:10:42

If she can make up stories like this, who knows how many other tales she has told. There's no way I could trust her. It's always hard when it is a friend of long-standing, but I would be very aware from now on.

Brismum Thu 31-May-18 13:41:05

GabriellaG. Personally I find it rather rude to comment on a persons punctuation or lack of it! There are comments all the time lacking punctuation, capital letters and correct spelling. These tend to irritate me but there’s no way I would comment. “ People who live in glass houses “ comes to mind. Annieshere just do whatever feels right for you.

gmelon Thu 31-May-18 14:30:38

janeainsworth
Yes it does say in original post how long the hospital stay was.
The friend spent only one day in hospital and didn't have scans.

janeainsworth Thu 31-May-18 14:43:18

Sorry gmelon I see it now blush

Applegran Thu 31-May-18 14:59:50

You cannot be sure she is lying, though I understand why you are not certain. But we all have different things we are embarrassed about, uncertainties about ourselves, and fears. We sometimes make choices we later regret, too. But you are uncertain, and have no need to form a judgement on her - how about just moving on, continuing your friendship and supporting someone who may have many uncertainties or fears under the surface?

Nannarose Thu 31-May-18 16:11:37

I think I would lay on fairly thick how worried I had been. That way you don't have to worry about the possibility of surgery following an accident, but you will let her know how you feel.

Grammaretto Thu 31-May-18 16:18:06

I agree with applegran some people are so insecure they feel they have to cover up and hide the truth. It gave you a fright and perhaps in a quiet moment with her you can ask her how she is and the truth will come out.
My DH told me he had stopped smoking when he hadn't and when I found out, I was mortified that he couldn't tell me the truth
I think he was trying to conceal it from himself.
I thought I couldn't trust him again but I have to. Pick your battles and don't judge too harshly.

My DG covered up her mastectomy and had to deal with it alone. Only after her death was it revealed. She had pretended to be on a cruise.

Soontobegran Thu 31-May-18 17:01:28

I don't get this need women have to do this to each other. sad
If you feel like something is off, talk to your friend. Give her a chance to share her perspective with you, rather than come here where we can only speculate.
Let her know if its revealed that she lied that she is safe with you and you accept her as she is, whether you agree with face lifts or not...she is still the same person inside and the heart of her is what you love.

She may have lied, but you have gossiped about her here...neither is a very good trait of a good friendship, IMO.

dogsmother Thu 31-May-18 17:12:03

I hate lies, I never fail to feel disappointment when I learn that someone has told me a fib no matter how small.
I just always feel let down ? the truth always comes out so what is the point.

tiredoldwoman Thu 31-May-18 18:17:31

I totally agree with dogsmother . But disagree with Soontobegran, I don't think wanting everyone's opinion on something is gossiping ?
She feels confused about her friends story and wants clarification .
Annieishere, I would keep away from your friend until the dust settles then rethink things - the truth might come out and heal things between you .

muddynails Thu 31-May-18 20:24:23

Soontobegran hope you have a joyfull relationship with your grandchild and his/her parents. Well said both you and Applegran.

FlorenceN Thu 31-May-18 20:35:09

You could be very PA and say 'well, if there's any good come of this terrible accident, at least they fixed your eye bags!'

endre123 Thu 31-May-18 22:34:21

The surgeon might convince a patient that no one would know they had "work" done, but most of us can see the difference but say nothing because you know they spent a lot of money. Usually people own up and you wish them all the best and say how brave they were to risk anaesthesia etc. They often say it's because of mental health issues.

My sister went to a great deal of trouble to hide her face lift. She had a lot of sun damage after living in a hot country. Our mum was called to hospital for her hip operation and my sister planned a holiday in Europe saying she would call to see her on her way home. She lived 500 miles away. Well she never came to visit mum, we found out later she had booked this face lift when she was supposed to be on holiday and there were complications, she had to go home to rest. But family were told she was exhausted after the holiday. When she turned up a few months later she looked distinctly different, much younger and fresher. She told our parents the holiday had been very good, but they knew she had work done, in fact they were amused by it.
As for lying, I don't see why people think they need to make up a story because the reality is right in front of every ones' eyes! People look different after surgery. You can see the little scars if you look carefully.

pauline42 Fri 01-Jun-18 01:27:14

The friendship means more to you than it does to her - obviously she doesn't put a value on having good friends in her life if she lies - whether they are big whoppers of small insignificant ones.

Solid long term friendships are valued and respectful towards each other. This is definitely not happening in your case with this woman - irrespective of whether your current suspicions are true or unfounded.

Its definitely time to step back, move away and concentrate on the other friends in your life who you know are genuine people - because this one "friendship" is all give on your part - so don't waste any more time, thought or energy on someone so superficial who cannot be classed as a friend!

Jane2018 Fri 01-Jun-18 08:14:11

I think being lied to is such a hurtful and wounding experience. The worry your friend caused you through her own vanity, perhaps shows where her priorities lie. Even if the friendship survives, you may find that you will never feel quite the same about the bond you have. There is always a price to pay for lying

oldbatty Fri 01-Jun-18 15:37:08

I couldnt be friends with someone who lies.
The son is just as bad.
I would be scared of pretending to be in a crash, because then I might be in one.

Sorry its black and white for me.

NanaRayna Mon 04-Jun-18 11:43:51

If she lied to her son, as seems likely, I'd not waste spit on her.

Grandmarnia Tue 05-Jun-18 20:57:43

@silverlining48 please let us know who you used as I have been thinking my hooded eyes need a tuck