The Duchess of Sussex and her father

Yes he proposed three times, can it be she was unsure of marrying into the royal family , too shy perhaps?

Maybe she was just hoping for a better offer?

Surely not PECS, a better offer ? Heir to the throne perhaps?

Lady Elizabeth was being courted at the same time by Albert's equerry, James Stuart, and it was widely noted in contemporary sources that Lady Elizabeth appeared to be in love with Stuart.

Following Albert's first unsuccessful proposal, Stuart suddenly left the Prince's service and popped up in the American oil industry, eventually marrying one of the Cavendishes.

Far be it from me to suggest that the Prince used his influence to dispatch his rival from the field.

Lady Elizabeth was also openly concerned about the stifling nature of life in the early 20th Century Royal Family and reluctant to take it on.

Albert was however clearly devoted to her and successful on his third attempt at proposing.

Refusing the second in line to the throne once, never mind three times, showed a considerable strength of character for someone of Lady Elizabeth's class at that point in time. Of course, she later became renowned for this strength of character and by all accounts, she and Bertie enjoyed a very happy and successful marriage.

No doubt the QM was a very assertive woman who knew her own mind.

Muffin, I think it is generally known that James Stuart was moved on, whether by Royal decree, or whether he was asked to 'lay down his (potential) wife for his country' and b***er off, is not clear.

Anyway when Lady E married Prince Albert, he was Duke of York and had no expectation at all of becoming monarch. I think she disliked the prospect of becoming the monarchs consort, when it arose for both herself and her husband and daughters.

Does Hugo Vickers lie ?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/sep/15/tanya-gold-queen-mother

I think she was spiteful and bitchy and have never been able to see why people generally thought she was a sweet little old lady.

She blamed the abdication for her husband's death. It wasn't the chain-smoking that gave him lung cancer then??

She spent money like water and was millions in the red with (I think) Coutts Bank when she died, which the Queen had to settle. What did she ever do for charities? What legacy did she leave?

The only thing in her favour imo is that she kept an eye on Prince Charles during his childhood when he was not close to his parents.

She married poor Albert when Edward wasn’t interested in her , she reaped revenge against Wallis , why stop Wallis having a title, it was a dear wish of Edward’s that his wife would be HRH, what did the country gain by denying him this wish . He had to leave the U.K. it was brutal .

I agree Annie (that must be a first .... joke )

Sparkle we not only agree but agree on a Windsor ?

I have always felt so sorry for Edward, what a lonely life he lived

He was a bloomin Nazi sympathiser Annie ..full of anti- Semitism!!

Was he PECS? Did he say so or was it reported in the press

Many of the hoi poloi admired Hitler pre war.
And what about the Mitfords?

^Anniebach Mon 18-Feb-19 19:27:16
Was he PECS? Did he say so or was it reported in the press^

He was photographed shaking hands with Hitler.

Does that prove he was a Nazi sympathiser and full of anti semetism?

in a word, Yes.

VIP guest: Surrounded by uniformed Nazi party officials and engineering chiefs, Edward gives a Nazi salute on an inspection of a coal mine during his tour of Germany in 1937

Is this the photo you mean sparkle ?

Wallis Simpson did us all a favour.

Yes Anja

The Duchess is currently meeting friends in America.
A perfect opportunity to go and see her Father or invite him to visit her.

New York is a long way from Mexico, the distance from about here (England) to Greece, so not round the corner.

I don't think her relationship with her father is anything to do with us. If she chooses not to see him, it is her decision. I once made that decision myself and didn't feel I had to justify it to anyone.

If she was estranged from her father I agree, but she wrote to him last year ‘ I have only ever loved, protected and defended you ‘

Doesn’t sound as if they were estranged