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NanaRayna Tue 16-Apr-19 21:41:33

My tragic, homeless adult daughter is stamping around my little rural village shouting and swearing and despairing. She so desperately wants to be loved and cared for, and has been so badly hurt in the past. My problem is that I'm sick of her dramas and hysterics, self justifications and denials. She is ill. She is alcohol dependent. She uses cocaine to excess when she can get hold of it. She is mentally so unwell that one psychologist has told me that he did not think she could endure to understand her true situation. She would not engage with the program and still lacks a diagnosis of her mental health condition. Her refuge in life has been a succession of violently abusive and demeaning men she has chosen to cling on to for love and support.
She has also been dependent on me and any other kindly benefactor she could get hold of for at least a decade. Her 'job' is flirting topless online for money. A job she cannot now do as her last iphone, of many, many iphones, ipads, phones and similar, has been sold for the money. She spends any wages or benefits she gets on extravagant and high-end items. That she will lose or discard within days generally, or weeks at most. She is homeless because she has a dreadful reputation as a tenant, cannot use money responsibly to pay deposits and has just been evicted from a refuge for her behaviour and refusal to engage with them or work towards becoming independent. That she spent much of the time she was supposed to be at the refuge actually staying with a man friend did not help her case.
Her children are now with court appointed guardians. She is full of resentment for the 'lies' that were told about her in court. There were no lies. She was a bad mother. The involvement of Social Services was a fact in the lives of all that family for many years and the final decision of removal was totally justified.
She leads a chaotic life, by choice, and had no wish to 'parent' as she wanted to be her children's best friend. Which she did sometimes, and other times would just leave them on their own for days. Often with no food, no clean clothes and with the instruction to not let people know. She refuses to remember any of this, which is understandable enough. But I have a hard time when she screams at the pain of losing them, because she was given so many, many chances to step up to the mark and be a decent and responsible mum. So I have no sympathy with her fantasy of how she was a brilliant mother and there were no grounds for her beloved children to be taken away. Only resentment because I was drained and used and did all I could to help and to make up for her lifestyle, but lost them too. The court awarded me more visits per year than my daughter, their mother, as I was seen as a good influence.
Of course the contacts are never relaxed and fun, it's never not supervised and it's never just us being ourselves. I feel a bitter loss. And anger, because it was all so unnecessary.
I have a constant headache when she is here, but as the alternative is her sleeping rough I feel I have no choice. She DID sleep rough one night last week. Just the one night, as a man took pity on her and had her stay in his room where he'd have lost his place if anyone had found out. No sex, or any intention of it, just being kind.
And that was enough to break her willingness to have her mental health assessed as she had finally been persuaded to do. The mental health diagnosis that would have had her placed in the 'vulnerable adult' category and therefore more likely to get help, protection, support.
All this is true. And I am so almighty sick of it that if she were to die today I'd be mourning not only the lost and lonely woman she is, but the happy and intelligent child I used to know who seemed to be gone for good some years ago.
There is nothing I can say or do that does not seem to upset her. Earlier she complained so very shrilly and loud that my ear genuinely aches with it still. I did not know this was even possible. I have also learned why the phrase 'a pain in the neck' came about. It's at the base of the skull. Where the tension knots you up and bewilders you with pain and confusion.
She's only been living here just over a day. The trip down was one I'd only wish on my best enemy with the screaming and posturing and carrying on all the three hundred mile odd drive to get here. I don't know how long I can stand this, or where there is left to turn. I can't stand her dramas and the way she is destroying what little peace I had left.

Karenj63 Wed 17-Apr-19 22:36:11

NanaRayna, the only thing I can suggest is have her arrested, if out doors on public order or in the house, threatening behaviour, the police will come to you, and be very strong. They will get her assessed and if found to be needed, they can apply to have her sectioned under the mental health act. She is not only endangering herself, but also you and anybody within the close area. You do not have to put up with this behaviour, she needs to be in a place where she cannot get out and where treatment is required to be under taken, be strong save you life and maybe save her's also. If I sound cold and hard, then it is a fact that you have to look after yourself and your grandchildren, you don't want them to start copying her.

crazyH Wed 17-Apr-19 22:39:21

Nanrayna, keep in touch and let us know the progress or lack of it .

manma2 Wed 17-Apr-19 22:46:56

My heart goes out to you ........ it is not your fault ......... she has to be on her own to know she needs help ....... be there for your Grandchildren spend you energy on them . I know you love your daughter but as an adult she needs to take some responsibility. She probably wont thank you and will blame you for a while but making her stand on her own feet is her only hope ...... I speak from experience

Marelli Wed 17-Apr-19 23:18:14

NanaRayna, please don't feel alone. We may merely be on a Forum, but we do care and hopefully can help a bit. Regarding Families Anonymous, there is an online discussion group that you can join in with. You would need to register if you wished to post, but can read all the many, many posts from others who are in our position. The support given from members is wonderful. Xx

Fenton95 Thu 18-Apr-19 07:51:34

I feel for you NanaRayna and also for Made in Yorkshire. You are both amazing - well done!

I pray you both get the support you need. Nothing is ever as hopeless as it can seem. Please take heart and know that things CAN and DO change - completely or just in terms of how you are able to live with these situations.

Actions are much more effective than words with dealing with feelings, so I hope you both find the energy and courage to reach out for the help you desperately need.

flowers

Pinkrinse Thu 18-Apr-19 08:20:52

Hi, you can’t help an addict unless they want help. The best thing you can do is get support for yourself. Al-anon sister fellowship to Alcoholics Anonymous provides (free) support to family of alcoholics, they will help you “detach with the love” is the expression from her, as until she wants to change she will not. Look them up on the internet and call your local help line. It’s a horrible situation for you.

Dillonsgranma Thu 18-Apr-19 09:13:34

I’m so sorry. It sounds like a living nightmare for you. Please ask for help from anyone who will give it. Doctor. Social services. Samaratons.
And kick her out. Use tough love. Or she will destroy you too.
Much love

georgia101 Thu 18-Apr-19 10:00:58

I'm so sorry for the pain your daughter is causing you. We had something similar, but not so severe, as what you are going through, and sadly I don't think that anything you ever do will help your daughter as it has to be her decision to change, which seems unlikely to happen. Just remember to be kind to yourself and give yourself a pat on the back for doing your very best with the energy you have, for your grandchildren first, as they have to be the priority because they don't have the luxury of making the decisions that rule their lives, and then yourself, although I expect you are putting your daughter before your own well being. My advice is to talk to your own doctor to see if any help can come from that quarter for yourself or your daughter. But please look after yourself for your grandchildren's sake. They need to know there is someone of their family that is there for them, now and in the future. All this comes from my own experience. We loved our daughter too, but she ended up dying early from her own lifestyle and we miss and love her, but in the end we had to put her children first. We did our utmost for her until it ruined our health, which is our consolation as it has to be yours. I wish you so much luck and love in the world.

Jaycee5 Thu 18-Apr-19 11:52:52

I agree with DeeDum. It sounds awful, but they she will keep going back because you are her final resort so you will always have to deal with her at her worse. If you can move, change your phone number and email address and make sure that you are not on the open register of the electoral roll (that can make getting credit more difficult but that is not usually insurmountable). Then don't tell her where you are. You can then concentrate on your grandchildren and look at whether you can get better terms of access. Some people are back and forth to court with changes all the time so it might be time to try for that as they are getting older and more able to tell the authorities what they want. Showing that you have actively disassociated from your daughter should help.

Starlady Thu 18-Apr-19 16:01:23

NanaRayna, my heart is breaking for you! And for dd because I know she can't really be happy like this. It's not your fault and it's not hers. Mental illness can do this, especially coupled with drugs and alcohol. I agree with those who say you need to let her go, as painful as I know that will be for you. As long as she knows she has a soft place to land (your home), she is not likely to seek the help she needs. But I know it will be hard for you to do that, and Idk if I could. Just wishing you all the strength, courage and wisdom you need to deal with this situation and hoping, that, in the end, dd gets help and things work out. Lots of hugs!

Starlady Thu 18-Apr-19 16:17:27

Oh, and I agree about AlAnon.

MadeinYorkshire, OMG! Please do not "give in." Get counseling for yourself, if you haven't already, and please keep reaching out here. Perhaps keep a calendar where you mark every day if you've taken your insulin, etc., so that you'll be reminded.

Unfortunately, it sounds as if dd "fooled" those two psychiatrists. Yes, it can happen, Ive seen it before. Some people with a mental disorder can put on a charming veneer and appear quite stable. They know "all the right answers" to give, etc. Has she been hospitalized after any of her suicide attempts? Hopefully, if she ever does that again and is hospitalized, someone at the hospital will find out "what's wrong" with her or recommend that she begin therapy. Or perhaps she will end up getting help if she is ever arrested for assault. Oh hey, did you call the police when she assaulted you or the cashier? I know you don't want to, but you might have to if she ever does it again. Could you bring yourself to kick her out if she doesn't go for therapy? Would she be vengeful if you did evict her? . Meanwhile, I'm sorry you've been CO (cut out) from your gd's life. Hugs! These are all issues you might want to explore in counseling if you're not already.

Starlady Thu 18-Apr-19 16:24:44

Oh, Nana, I just saw your most recent post. Kudos to you for having had the courage to pull back when you did! I'm sorry her getting sectioned didn't work out and ended up drawing you back into the middle. I'm glad you're going to seek help through AlAnon or whatever groups is available. They may be able to help you figure out what to do next. More hugs!

HildaW Fri 19-Apr-19 14:08:54

I'd echo those who have talked about 'fooling' the experts - it happens on several levels. We were carers for a relative with dementia who could manage to get through interviews with specialists by sheer weight of his intellect. It was not done deliberately thankfully but it did mean that we really had to collect evidence for them to gain a better picture. In one off interviews he appeared quite capable - they did not see the full day-to-day picture.
I am no expert in this field but I suspect that your daughter has a full range of tactics to cocoon herself in. She is an addict and that will mean she is choosing not to recognise the truth of her situation. Addiction creates a whole range of deceit, denial and delusion and she will be both fooling herself and those around her.
As others have said, get help for yourself and protect your wellbeing. It must be hard for you in an isolated rural setting - we have just moved away from that and although delightful one can feel both isolated and yet more open to scrutiny by those who are around. Its easier to hide our troubles in a busy location. You have nothing to feel guilty about, you have done so much. Take good care and get that help. All the very best.

NannaComic Sat 20-Apr-19 15:12:55

Hi NanaRayna Sorry if I am rather late in the day in replying. I have read your really sad story ….. and all the comments that have followed. I am in a similar situation to yourself and going from my experience all I can say is that your daughter is in great emotional pain and she is really suffering. She doesn’t actually like herself …. and because of this she is pushing everyone, including you - the one person who supports her - away. So may I ask - has there been some trauma in her life? Did something happen to her when she was young? Did you or do you know anything that could have happened? As I say, I have been and am still going through this now. It is a very hard and draining situation, not knowing what each day, each hour will bring. Keep in there. Be there for her. It is easy to talk about “hard love” but I remember Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees saying “hard love” was the wrong thing he did when his young brother Andy went back to him time and again and when Barry did turn away that is when his young brother died. He did not have Barry’s support anymore. There may well be mental health issues and she will resist any help or guidance that you try to give her. Each situation is different and I still have no answers but if she does agree to get help go with her. Make sure you tell her you will always love her. Sorry that it is all I can say

GrandmainOz Mon 22-Apr-19 23:27:38

nanaraynajust checking in to see how you're travelling. Thoughts are with you

FarBob Fri 26-Apr-19 18:00:50

If only you can get her to rehab....she needs all the support she can get and the worse part is drug addicts are tough to deal with..I hope you'd be able to suppress the pain...warm hugs xxx

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