Petition: Give legal right of contact between grandchildren and grandparents

I didn’t see the other thread. 🤷‍♀️

It's not as easy as waiting patiently for all of the reasons you've mentioned fancythat.

I have been talking to people who directly disagree with views I express by answering their comments put to me

That's how discussion works

Whose disagreed with you by saying GP's should have automatic rights to see their GC VS?

Callistemon The OP did get rather upset on the other thread she started with a link to the petition.

She did. It was an unprovoked and abusive outburst at the logically-argued opposition she had seen here - a huge red flag suggesting to me that whoever has estranged her might have done so with good reason. I wonder if she has been banned?

She hadn’t made any attempt to participate in the discussion which is odd considering she said she wants Parliament to debate the topic (again - see my post upthread). She runs a regional support group but what better way to discover a broader perspective that a discussion board for grandparents (albeit not exclusively so) who have a broad range of experience?

If her focus has been narrow, dealing only with estranged grandparents who all feel they should have automatic legal rights, maybe seeing that the vast majority here do not think so, even those who have direct experience of estrangement, will make her look at things differently.

That's not what I said

Germanshepherdsmum

I have said a number of times on this forum that my husband was abusive and eventually left me and our then seven year old child. At first my son saw his father and paternal grandparents regularly but then he started to become the target of his father’s abuse. He refused to see his father, or any of his father’s family, again. He would not be persuaded. His father then commenced proceedings to obtain a court order for my son to be forced to see him. This meant that my son had to be interviewed by a court social worker, a very kindly man who reported back to the court that communication should be by letter and birthday/Xmas cards only. The experience was traumatic despite the SW’s kind and gentle manner. I cannot imagine such an application being made by the paternal grandparents, who would I know have had only their and their son’s interests in mind. A child should not be subjected to this process. My son continued to be resolute and never saw his father or any paternal family members again, nor would he open any cards or gifts they sent. I am vehemently opposed to any move to give grandparents rights to see grandchildren, based on my own experience. My son flourished once all that was behind him - even his teachers commented on the change in him.

And GSM

You ask why these threads become about abuse but you yourself shared your awful situation on page 2

Some comments aren't justified here

VS, I’d be interested to know which forum dealing with grandparents’ rights globally you are a part of?

Delila

*VS*, I’d be interested to know which forum dealing with grandparents’ rights globally you are a part of?

I don't want to be found there. I have had some real problems on this forum at times I don't want in my real life. I guess it may happen now anyway

I won’t be looking for you, I wondered if it had any decision-making role, or is a discussion forum like Gransnet. I don’t need a name.

It is primarily a support and advice forum. There are people qualified to give legal advice but they are still working to have representatives for different areas. They do have lists of family lawyers etc. It is open to anyone needing advice on visitation but the majority are seeking to block access to their abusive parent/parents or ex partner.

As an EGP I'd be very interested in this forum that deals with grand parents rights globally VS could you provide the name please?

If the majority are seeking to block access to their abusive parent/parents or ex partner it doesn't sound like a forum that deals with grand parents rights globally.

You would have found it had you needed it

My situation was not connected to abuse by grandparents VS.

Well I've tried google but can't find it so if it's an open forum, why not provide the name? Seems a bit odd to even mention it if you're not prepared to share the name so others can see what you're talking about if they want too.

I should not have mentioned it no

For the same reason I wouldn't mention this forum in any of my groups for estranged children

To protect people within the forums

Better people find things on their own with genuine need

People on open forums don't need protection VS if they do they choose closed sites, and we are in no position to judge who is or is not in genuine need. Sorry but this just doesn't make any sense.

Sorry VS, I feel for you if it’s a sensitive subject for some reason, but people who genuinely cared for others in these situations would willingly share sources of help and support. Surely it’s not a secret? You say people can find it if they have genuine need - surely that includes many of the people whose stories you’ve read on Gransnet. Why not share?

Because I don't want people here to know who I am in real life because I don't trust them, it really is that simple

I've experienced some really awful comments towards me here and I have experienced a lot of things said about me behind my back. I have had so many messages from people saying "you don't seem like x described at all"

I don't want that in a forum that is not anonymous in my real life inbox alongside my real family and friends

How would anyone here know who you are in real life? No one here knows anyone's real name .

So you trust people on these other fora and give them your real name but don’t trust people on GN? Nice.

TinSoldier

Callistemon The OP did get rather upset on the other thread she started with a link to the petition.

She did. It was an unprovoked and abusive outburst at the logically-argued opposition she had seen here - a huge red flag suggesting to me that whoever has estranged her might have done so with good reason. I wonder if she has been banned?

She hadn’t made any attempt to participate in the discussion which is odd considering she said she wants Parliament to debate the topic (again - see my post upthread). She runs a regional support group but what better way to discover a broader perspective that a discussion board for grandparents (albeit not exclusively so) who have a broad range of experience?

If her focus has been narrow, dealing only with estranged grandparents who all feel they should have automatic legal rights, maybe seeing that the vast majority here do not think so, even those who have direct experience of estrangement, will make her look at things differently.

Yes, good post, TinSoldier

The OP was abusive on her other thread which was not only counter-produtive but did make me wonder about her family dynamics too.

Absolutely no one is using their real name here, it is an open forum

The other forum is closed and you have to give your real name to join