Dickens I am at one with you. My post probably sounded flippant, but I take marriage very seriously, it is a regret of my life that I'd had a first marriage that ended in divorce. My parents weren't at all happy about that particularly as I was raised a catholic and divorce in the eyes of the church, certainly at one time was kind of level pegging with murder as to the gravity of it. I have to balance those regrets against the fact that my second marriage has been one of the best things in my life. I commend those who have only had one stab at it and found their soul mate and love of their life the first time around. I always remember Paul McCartney's words when he lost his beloved Linda, something along these lines "we only had 25 years, some have many more years together but it's about the quality of our shared life and those 25 years were wonderful, I would trade them for 50 years or mediocrity, or worse" something along those lines but not verbatim. So yes to quote you "I believe marriage is a serious commitment and rather a private affair apart from being a rite of passage" absolutely! With that in mind, the extremes some go to as to what they expect from the day and the lead up appear completely over the top and superfluous as to the essence of taking a serious vow. Some, not all, stag and hens come across as very tawdry affairs particularly when there are those who use it as an excuse to have one last fling, it debases what they are about to enter into and poses the question as to why they are getting married in the first place. It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at the day itself that won't mean a thing if the relationship can be so undermined by the preamble and the focus on a gamut of minutiae of expensive window dressing which in the great scheme of things matters not one iota in the shared path a good relationship follows supporting each other through, the highs and lows. Again I agree with you about the father giving his daughter away which is symbolic of ownership once, which I appreciate isn't taken as such now and if a daughter is close to her father then she would want that I guess, but speaking for myself, having a certain amount of ambivalence with mine, I certainly never felt his to give away anyway. So yes marriage at its best is really something to celebrate and it's worst, well hell with the wrong person and I don't blame anyone for getting out of such a relationship and starting again..