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Is Islam a religion of love and peace?

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Greatnan Sun 16-Sep-12 09:36:46

If so, why is that message not getting across to the rioters, suicide bombers and other murderous thugs? We are told repeatedly that the trouble is caused by a small minority, but it is large enough to frighten me and the majority is silent through their own fear. It is hard to fight back against people who seem to have no fear of death.
Will the next world war be Islam v The Rest?

janeainsworth Sun 16-Sep-12 09:42:04

The reasons are probably similar to the reasons why for many years Protestant and Catholic Christians have butchered each other in Northern Ireland.
I think the real question is why some individuals are more easily indoctrinated and manipulated than others.

Greatnan Sun 16-Sep-12 10:09:37

Could education be the answer?

baNANA Sun 16-Sep-12 10:35:59

Reactionary Muslims are to love and peace what Tony Blair is to socialism! Digressing her but just reading in the Times about his big fat property portfolio.

Lilygran Sun 16-Sep-12 10:44:44

Lost for words!

Greatnan Sun 16-Sep-12 10:46:21

Come on, Lilygran - do give us the benefit of your thoughts - otherwise, why bother posting? We are not mind readers!

absentgrana Sun 16-Sep-12 10:57:34

Although the three so-called great religions have much in common, I think for both Jews and Moslems their religion has a greater immediacy than Christianity does for Christians. Certainly for many Jews when they talk of Abraham and Isaac, it is as if they are discussing close relatives who have recently died. I think most if not all Moslems bitterly resent insults to the Prophet in exactly the same way as they would resent insults to a member of their family. I know there have been instances of extreme offence taken about what Christians view as blasphemy – that Martin Scorsese film, for example, and that talk show opera thing on the television – but generally they just shrug their shoulders and ignore it. While I am far from condoning these acts violence spreading across the Moslem world, I think we actually fail to understand the strength of genuine feeling generated by such things as the Danish cartoons and the American movie trailer.

Greatnan Sun 16-Sep-12 11:00:36

I think you have pin pointed the big problem, absent - we don't understand the Muslim mind. All of us would resent insults to our family, but we would not murder the perpetrator.

JO4 Sun 16-Sep-12 11:29:05

Agree with jane. It's the individuals practicing the religion who mya be inclinded to love and peace - or not.

But Sharia law doesn't exactly strike me as being loving, or even sensible. (I think that's part of muslim-ism, isn't it?)

JO4 Sun 16-Sep-12 11:30:08

sorry for bad typing. shoudl be doing other things! blush

Bags Sun 16-Sep-12 11:56:00

Nick Cohen is right in this article: Nothing, however vile, justifies censorship

No religion is a religion of love and peace only. All of them have some stupid and/or restrictive rules, and all of them contain members who seem to be ever on the look out for opportunities to take offence at something or other.

vampirequeen Sun 16-Sep-12 12:25:49

All major faiths teach love and tolerance. Unfortunately they also have ambiguous verses in their Holy Books that can be translated to mean whatever someone wants them to mean.

baNANA Sun 16-Sep-12 12:28:16

It appears that reactionary Muslims will look for any excuse to be insulted and I for one find it really boring watching these regular kicking off fests that seems to be occurring all over the globe. They know that this film was made by some shadowy agitator in America who took it upon himself to stir things up and has been heavily criticised by Obama and Hillary Clinton, but of course that's not good enough for them any excuse to have a go at the Great Satan and Western allies. Yes the West has a lot to answer for we shouldn't have gone into Iraq and they also know a lot of us didn't want our respective governments to do that. Although I have to say they are quite selective in their condemnation of their "brothers" being slaughtered, I haven't heard too much Muslim criticism of the appalling goings on in Darfur, where I think a Muslim militia was responsible for the slaughter of many of their fellow Muslims. I'm a sort of on/off Catholic, Christianity can be criticised and pilloried, and quite rightly in some instances, without it's followers going raving nuts. Can't remember who said something along the lines of "I hate what you say, but I defend your right to say it" We do have free speech and we have to continue with that we can't always pussyfoot around the sensibilities of minorities, particularly if they choose to be insulted all the time. They choose to live in a free Western society with all the benefits of free speech then they should also be prepared to accept the way certain things are enshrined in our laws.

crimson Sun 16-Sep-12 12:35:48

Mind you, remember what happened in America when John Lennon said The Beatles were more popular than God. So you'd think the Americans [more so than us; think of The Life of Brian for example] would be more sensitive to he muslim mentallity.

baNANA Sun 16-Sep-12 12:43:21

Yeah Crimson point taken, I'd forgotten that! but there is a Christian fundamentalist element in America that is bordering on barmy! However, it was contained to the States and I don't think a fatwa was taken out against John Lennon, nor did he have to go into hiding as Salman Rusdie did even if the FBI did have a file on him!

Movedalot Sun 16-Sep-12 12:44:14

Once again I agree with you Jean you so often seem to say what I think.

I think many Christians do feel the same immediacy as other faiths but they 'Hate the sin and love the sinner' as their face asks them to. It seems these militant Muslims hate both.

Bags Sun 16-Sep-12 12:46:59

Any 'mentality' that endorses violence because some idiot says something offensive is not a mentality to be respected.

Bags Sun 16-Sep-12 12:48:47

There is no jean posting on this thread movedalot. Take care.

baNANA Sun 16-Sep-12 12:49:21

Bottom line I've come to the conclusion that the Western way of life and Islam in it's severest form are incompatible.

annodomini Sun 16-Sep-12 12:50:14

Muslims are not all Islamists. The latter are a fanatical politicised group modelling their faith on the Wahabi sect of Saudi Arabia, though other Muslim groups nowadays seem to be becoming radicalised as well. When our book group read 'The Reluctant Fundamentalist', we came to realise how otherwise moderate Muslims came to be radicalised after 9/11 by the treatment they received in the media and from the public.

Joan Sun 16-Sep-12 13:00:49

When I see the idiocy of those riots, all I want to say to them is 'Bloody grow up!'

They object to Islam being portrayed as evil, then prove the point they object to, by acting in an evil manner.

i do know the vast, huge majority of Muslims just want to live in peace, but they should come out of their cocoons and condemn the idiotic element en masse, instead of leaving it to non Muslims and the occasional sensible Muslim leader.

The whole thing just makes me turn away in utter contempt and disgust. I've had enough - enough of Islamic self righteousness, enough of fundamentalist so-called Christians such as the Westboro Baptists, enough of ulta-orthodox Jews causing bother to their fellow Israelis, and enough of shit-stirring film makers out to cause bother.

baNANA Sun 16-Sep-12 13:07:01

Joan do agree, it's all so tedious I think we have all had enough of those groups you refer to and the constant "shit stirring" which can result in the deaths of innocent people it's very irresponsible.

annodomini Sun 16-Sep-12 13:11:03

baNANA, fanatical Islamists would have the same view as you exactly. Their ultimate aim is to achieve world domination by means of jihad. Luckily the majority of Muslims don't share this aim and it should be our goal to integrate rather than marginalise them.

Movedalot Sun 16-Sep-12 13:12:53

Sorry I meant Jane I expect she realised. grin

Maybe the more reasonable Muslims are frightened to speak out? I think I might be.

janeainsworth Sun 16-Sep-12 13:36:11

I think you are right about the fear.
I have to say that all the Muslims I have ever met (which admittedly isn't many) are not very different from most of us - their priorities are their families' health and happiness.
I belong to a professional internet forum and I remember after the July 7th bombings, many Muslim members came onto the site to say 'not in my name.'
Three of the four bombers had been born and brought up in Britain, so what does that say about the influences of home life and education? Their friends and families were devastated that they had carried out these attacks, so the question remains, what does make someone become a fanatic?
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