Christian Grans

Be fair lilygran. We bad that discussion on other threads. There are no militant atheists on here.

Exactly, elegran.

Well, I think you last post means that you agree with my understanding of the use of the word secular in the OP, lily. So glad we've reached agreement on that.

As for there being a lot of posts arguing about religion, being anti-religion if you like, well.... Why on earth shouldn't there be? Religion gives those who have none plenty of scope to "attack" it! That is the problem, not the people doing the posting.

Yeah, be fair, lily – what about the militant religiacs, like you? I'm not objecting to your being such. Why would I? It adds to the fun of gransnet.

What do you think about the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain's Day of Agreement? I notice that few of the people who are always objecting to disagreement on gransnet have visited that thread yet.

It's early yet.

There is that.

Here we go again. What the heck is a militant atheist? Crossing out offensive words does not remove them. As far as I am aware, no member here is trying to prevent anybody from believing or practising any religion they choose.
Why is your certainty allowable, Lily, but not an atheist's certainty?
I am sorry you have slipped into 'attack' mode, rather than discussion.

Way to go, Elegran!

I don't mind in the least being called a 'militant Christian', I only wish it was true! I can't understand why individuals who contest every pro-faith or pro-Christian post, introduce anti-ditto when the post isn't actually about religion to start with and OP highly provocative stuff object to the term 'militant'.

If it isn't true Lilygran no-one should call you militant. I am not violently opposed to you or your religion and I don't go out of my way to propagate atheism. I just don't believe there is a god. If I sit round a dinner table, dipping in and out of a range of topics that come up, I will say what my views are, same as on here. Militant atheism is something else altogether. We do seem to be going round in circles.

I find it interesting that we don't appear to have GNs from other faiths such as Isalam, Jewish, Hindu, etc. Or maybe they just keep quiet!

Lily, unless you tell us what you mean by 'militant atheist' I will continue to feel it is a pejorative term. I don't attach any epithets to you and I would like you to do me the same courtesy.
It is totally untrue that atheists post hostile comments on every thread about Christianity, but I suppose if you want to avoid answering the questions which are actually asked you fall back on the Blair technique, of just repeating non-truths endlessly. I am not speaking for all my atheist friends but just for myself. I am not hostile to a belief in god, I just think it is mistaken. Nor do I want to stop other people believing in anything they choose. I am hostile to religions of all types, Christian or otherwise, that impose their beliefs on people who do not share them, or cause harm to others. I am sure some of you are hostile to the type of Islam that allows men to control women - does that make you militant?
It is not my choice to have to keep repeating this - it is because of the wilful blindess of people who will not take it on board.
It is not rocket science and I do not wrap up my opposition in any kind of difficult language. What is so hard about it for Christians to understand?

Greatnan Like you, I do not believe in any gods. I wonder if the same people who attack atheists attack other religions with the same intensity.

I think probably not, janthea. I think this because of the approach which holds that all faiths are acceptable to it but atheism is not. So, theism is OK; atheism is not OK. Atheism is the theist world's whipping boy.

Why should anyone with any sense of justice accept that without an argument?
Theisms are philosophical positions. Atheism is a philosophical position too.

sorry. Cross out the "to it".

According to my dictionary militant means 'aggressive or vigorous especially in the support of a cause'. The posts from atheists on this thread are certainly vigorous and I would say also aggressive.

Lilygran you are on to a loser here. Depends on how long you want to keep on banging your head against a brick wall.

Would you call enthusiastic politicians aggressive?

Would you call the feminists of our youth aggressive? That term was used as a device to shut them up. The same term is being used as the same device to shut atheists up. You could always just agree with us and then we'd have no-one to argue with

However, I don't think we're aggressive. I think we're logical, rational and assertive. We're also actually interested in what makes people tick and always wanting to ask question because of our curious minds.

Furthermore, we're only those things on a DISCUSSION FORUM which is precisely FOR this kind of thing! If you don't want to argue, don't but stop telling those of us who do to stop.

Having a bit of a stir, Petallus? Surely we can have a debate without someone dipping in occasionally to whip things up?

when, surely those members who are following this discussion but haven't participated previously are allowed to put their own views forward? We are always being told that everyone has the right to post on whatever thread they choose. Why do you immediately assume petallus meant to stir things up?

In Chambers, which is my favourite dictionary for everyday use and, usefully, available on my iPad, one of the meanings of "aggressive" is given as "showing energy and initiative". I'll go with that! Proud to. Right, I'm aggressive. Deal with my energy and initiative and vigorous argument but do, please, stop moaning about it! Just join in if you want to.

Aggressive (energetic and initiative-filled) and vigorous atheism (or anything else, for that matter; theism too), tally-ho!

Easy assumption to make ana. Patterns of this happening are all so predictable. But I am not here to stifle the discussion. Just off to visit my grandaughters but back tonight. Be good now!

When, it has been said many many times that anybody can post anything on here whenever they wish. Are you now suggesting that Petallus shouldn't do that?

I've withdrawn from this thread as I simply don't feel that many posts are being responded to at all. Just avoided. And I dislike anyone being instructed that their understanding is limited.

And I find the term religiacs insulting.

No when I was not having a stir. My remarks came from the heart. I don't appreciate you trivialising my post.

However, so long as I am not told I am falling back on Blaire's techniques (see above) I think I can cope!

I think I will follow MiceElf's example and withdraw from this post.