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grannyactivist Tue 05-Feb-13 01:18:59

Writer Alain de Botton has created a list of guidelines for atheists (which, as a Christian I am happy to endorse if it's good, it's good).

The 10 guidelines are:
1.Resilience. Keeping going even when things are looking dark.
2.Empathy. The capacity to connect imaginatively with the sufferings and unique experiences of another person.
3.Patience. We should grow calmer and more forgiving by getting more realistic about how things actually tend to go.
4.Sacrifice. We won't ever manage to raise a family, love someone else or save the planet if we don't keep up with the art of sacrifice.
5.Politeness. Politeness is very linked to tolerance, the capacity to live alongside people whom one will never agree with, but at the same time, can't avoid.
6.Humour. Like anger, humour springs from disappointment, but it's disappointment optimally channelled.
7.Self-Awareness. To know oneself is to try not to blame others for one's troubles and moods; to have a sense of what's going on inside oneself, and what actually belongs to the world.
8.Forgiveness. It's recognising that living with others isn't possible without excusing errors.
9.Hope. Pessimism isn't necessarily deep, nor optimism shallow.
10.Confidence. Confidence isn't arrogance, it's based on a constant awareness of how short life is and how little we ultimately lose from risking everything.

Anything to add?

grannyactivist Tue 05-Feb-13 01:20:05

Should say:
Writer Alain de Botton has created a list of guidelines for atheists (which, as a Christian I am happy to endorse: if it's good, it's good).

grannyactivist Tue 05-Feb-13 01:21:33

Edit button GNHQ?
Please? [cheesy smile ]

baubles Tue 05-Feb-13 06:05:47

Seems a bit odd to me. Why would atheists need guidelines?

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 07:05:42

I think he should go back to being the Writer in Residence at Heathrow Airport.

bluebell Tue 05-Feb-13 07:53:39

Bubbles - what on earth do you mean? Any fully functioning person, atheist or otherwise needs guidelines!

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 07:54:36

I don't think we need a religification of atheism, thanks all the same. There are plenty of ways of learning what's important in life without guidelines which one can't help but notice seem to have arisen out of the ten commandment idea.

Besides which, these guidelines, if they are any good, would apply to everyone alike. Being an atheist is irrelevant to their relevance.

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 07:55:17

By which I mean, why has he called them specifically guidelines for atheists?

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 07:55:32

They are guidelines for people.

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 07:56:15

Some of whom happen to be atheists.

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 08:04:42

Bags He's got a bee in his bonnet about how being virtuous has become something to ignore and evil-doing has become glamorous in the modern world. As if that's new. And yes, he reckons religious people have got their guidelines and we poor hopeless atheists who are unable to to do anything ethical without advice need out own ten commandments. Go back to Heathrow.

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 08:09:08

I don't think this one is going to get off the ground somehow.

Interesting guidelines though. Particularly empathy and self-awareness.

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 08:53:19

It's a rather narrow definition, though. Surely empathy is simply the ability to understand and share the feelings of another; it's not just about someone else's suffering and only relates to some of their experience, i.e. emotional experience. Unique is tautology – the man is meant to be a writer.

Lilygran Tue 05-Feb-13 08:56:37

Jolly nice that A de B thinks religion might have some positive aspects to it. Goodness, all those superstitious, ignorant people all those years ago and the silly people who still believe all that unscientific rubbish did actually understand something about the human condition and societies! confused wine to that man

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 09:00:20

Everyone has to have something worthwhile about them. Well done for recognising Mr de Botton's USP Lilygran. grin P.s. Isn't it a bit early for wine?

Lilygran Tue 05-Feb-13 09:22:30

absent grin

bluebell Tue 05-Feb-13 09:22:42

Bags I agree with you - I suppose I read Baubles post the wrong way = probably because some religious friends of mine (knowing I'm an atheist)once said that an advantage of religion was that it gave you moral guidelines - which I took to mean that I therefore didn't have any!!!!

Sel Tue 05-Feb-13 09:25:03

Rather than aiming his rules at athesists, he should redirect them at Gransnetters in light of the last few days

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 09:25:18

bluebell It's a common misconception. Watch that Big Question programme on a Sunday morning, which is, naturally, peppered with priests, rabbis and imams, and you will have steam coming out of your ears and be hurling things at the televisioon as this tired old cliché is trotted out week after week.

bluebell Tue 05-Feb-13 09:28:16

Absent -perhaps I'd better not!!

Sel Tue 05-Feb-13 09:31:14

Sorry, I meant to put a smile after my comment but the doorbell rang.

j07 Tue 05-Feb-13 09:32:16

Thought they didn't allow sermons on Gransnet.

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 09:40:28

Agree Absent, empathy does not just apply to suffering.

I think of the pleasure through empathy I get when taking one of the younger grandchildren out. At that age, the world is a wondrous place, so many things in it being new to them.

j07 Tue 05-Feb-13 10:02:49

My elder grandson, at the age of eleven, is (at last) displaying signs of empathy.

smile

wisewoman Tue 05-Feb-13 10:07:25

His book is really good "Religion for Atheists" if you are a fence sitter like me. Once had a great faith, now not so sure but think religion has a lot of good things about it. I heard de Botton speak at Edinburgh Book Festival and I thought he was a breath of fresh air in the religion / science, good / bad debate - if that makes sense.