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grannyactivist Tue 05-Feb-13 01:18:59

Writer Alain de Botton has created a list of guidelines for atheists (which, as a Christian I am happy to endorse if it's good, it's good).

The 10 guidelines are:
1.Resilience. Keeping going even when things are looking dark.
2.Empathy. The capacity to connect imaginatively with the sufferings and unique experiences of another person.
3.Patience. We should grow calmer and more forgiving by getting more realistic about how things actually tend to go.
4.Sacrifice. We won't ever manage to raise a family, love someone else or save the planet if we don't keep up with the art of sacrifice.
5.Politeness. Politeness is very linked to tolerance, the capacity to live alongside people whom one will never agree with, but at the same time, can't avoid.
6.Humour. Like anger, humour springs from disappointment, but it's disappointment optimally channelled.
7.Self-Awareness. To know oneself is to try not to blame others for one's troubles and moods; to have a sense of what's going on inside oneself, and what actually belongs to the world.
8.Forgiveness. It's recognising that living with others isn't possible without excusing errors.
9.Hope. Pessimism isn't necessarily deep, nor optimism shallow.
10.Confidence. Confidence isn't arrogance, it's based on a constant awareness of how short life is and how little we ultimately lose from risking everything.

Anything to add?

Greatnan Tue 05-Feb-13 21:46:41

I didn't have much trouble in throwing off my catholic conditioning! grin

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 21:25:08

And anyway, it's worth trying.

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 21:24:23

I think it can sometimes be hard to see who is objective and who isn't, but not always. Sometimes it's easy. And sometimes it gets easy with a little logical thinking applied.

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 21:05:22

The problem would be knowing who was objective and who wasn't. Maybe someone outside one's own society?

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 21:01:58

No, one wouldn,t necessarily know one had been conditioned to think in a certain way, but others with an objective view would.

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 20:59:10

Well, I've heard Catholics (for instance) say that they can't throw off their early conditioning no matter how hard they try.

Not only that, but you wouldn't necessarily know if you had been 'conditioned' into thinking in a certain way.

Those in power know that the media is a powerful tool for manipulating the population.

Orwell's 1984 and all that.

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 20:53:50

And the important thing about owning them yourself is that you can change them if you wish. You don't have to hold onto ideas that you no longer agree with.

Butty Tue 05-Feb-13 20:48:44

Yes, of course petallus, yet having had experience of that in my formative years has made me very specific in 'owning' my voice and not having those of others speak for me. I value that highly.

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 20:48:04

Yes. So?...

How else would one form ideas, thoughts, opinions, but through one's interaction with society?

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 20:38:22

They can be shaped though, can't they, by newspapers, family, society and so on?

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 20:33:40

Who else would your thoughts or opinions belong to?

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 20:33:08

Of course you do.

Butty Tue 05-Feb-13 20:30:55

So I've learn something about 'genomic' and 'aphorisms' . My very poor S.M.E. didn't go that far. Better late than never.

However, I do know that I get a strong knee jerk reaction when general comments are made that refer to 'we all', or 'all of us'. No one can speak for me.
I have a real thing about owning my opinions and attitudes and using 'I' when expressing myself. I do not like collective pronouns (?) used when expressing personal opinions.

Help. Do I have that right?

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 19:52:58

Well, while gnomic, I don't think Movedalot has actually put anything into verse yet. But there's plenty of time. smile

Bags Tue 05-Feb-13 19:47:14

Chambers: "a pithy and sententious saying", often in verse, it adds.

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 18:53:48

I think I'd better!

Ana Tue 05-Feb-13 18:52:43

Google it next time, petallus! grin

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 18:51:49

I'm relieved to hear that [ smile]

Odd, my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, two big fat volumes, goes on mainly about gnomes. Nothing about being enigmatic etc.

It does briefly mention Auden.

First time it has failed to come up with the goods.

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 18:35:21

Gnomic = enigmatic or ambiguous, at least in the context in which I have used it.

Ana Tue 05-Feb-13 18:34:43

"describes something spoken or written that is short, mysterious and not easily understood, but often seems wise"

petallus Tue 05-Feb-13 18:32:45

I went and looked up gnomic and it seems to mean gnomelike or like a dwarf.

Eh!

There was something about aphorisms as well but not as much as about gnomes.

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 18:12:21

Movedalot You are being very gnomic – and, of course, speaking for everyone else. ("We will all" means everyone else – not twisting your words.) I'm just keeping count.

absent Tue 05-Feb-13 18:10:10

Does humour spring from disappointment? I should have thought that quite a lot of humour springs from the absurdity of the human condition, quite a lot from a singular event (e.g. classic man on a banana skin) and just as much from odd juxtapositions. What about word play?

grannyactivist Tue 05-Feb-13 17:15:34

Hmm.......what about self-control? That could be added to the list.

feetlebaum Tue 05-Feb-13 17:10:59

The only difference between an atheist person and anybody else is that the atheist person sees no reason to believe any of the myths that others like to believe. We all have much the same morality. And people have a right to believe what they want to believe...