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The resurrection

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Galen Fri 14-Feb-14 14:41:47

Did anyone else watch the bbc2 programme The Bible Hunters last night?.
It seemed to point out that the post resurrection appearances of Jesus were later additions to Mark's gospel.
As mark is the earliest of the gospels and all the others were written later, this poses an interesting question.

contrarymary Thu 27-Feb-14 21:02:07

From research Dr. Habermas has been able to show that of the 3,400 works studied, the majority of writers accept 12 events around this subject as historical fact:Habermas has reduced this list to just the top five facts in an approach he calls the minimal facts approach. Each of these minimal facts must meet two criteria: (1) the data are strongly evidenced, and (2) the data are granted by virtually all scholars on the subject, even the skeptical ones. The minimal facts are:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion. Since 1975, Resurrection expert Dr. Gary Habermas has catalogued over 3,400 academic works on the fate of Jesus, from conservative, critical, and skeptical scholars in English, German, and French.
2. The tomb was empty
3. His disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them.
4. The church persecutor Paul was suddenly changed.
5. The skeptic James, brother of Jesus, was suddenly changed.

The empty tomb was "too notorious to be denied." Paul Althaus states that the resurrection could not have been maintained in Jerusalem for a single day, for a single hour, if the emptiness of the tomb had not been established as a fact for all concerned."
Historical Credibility Criteria
1. Multiple, independent sources of testimony.
2. Early testimony.
3. Eyewitness testimony.
4. Enemy testimony.
5. Embarrassing testimony.
What is the Best Explanation?
1. Jesus rose from the dead!
1 Corinthians states that Jesus appeared to the 12 and I know Corinthians was written before Mark so that is good evidence that Jesus really did appear to his disciples. -

Galen Thu 27-Feb-14 22:04:20

hmm my jury is still out.

durhamjen Fri 28-Feb-14 00:31:25

James, the brother of Jesus, was thought to be a strict vegetarian by Josephus. Now there's another thought.

Lilygran Fri 28-Feb-14 10:05:45

Thanks, Galen for the OP and the other information daffodil. Why the objection to Oxford? Or was it just to theology? Not strictly relevant to the resurrection but interesting that Biblical sources are still being uncovered www.theguardian.com/books/2014/feb/13/ark-before-noah-irving-finkel-review

seaspirit Fri 28-Feb-14 13:08:51

never realised this was on as I might have watched it, the new testament, doesn't really stand up, the churches have never really taken it very seriously, the early christian church was aimed at slaves, as the Romans were in charge and the hebrew people little more then slaves ( hence the extra mile rule, any Roman could pick on any hebrew and could order them to do what every they needed done) then came Nicea and a pagan decided what the christian church should do and not do, then came Henry 8th who made his own church up because he wanted a forbidden woman as his wife.
on the other hand I know it is possible to bring back a soul if it has not gone too far , happens every day.
The risen Christ might not even have been who they thought it was, no one reconised him, so he might have been anyone claiming to be resurrected.
so much of the bible is guess work itwaswrittenlikethiswithnopunctionationorcaptials, and translated by people with no great knowledge of the early language. the word Hades this doesn't do Greek was translated 12 different ways to make it fit the early church teachings. spent years chasing the legends at the libraries including British museum library and studying theology. they are still finding books of the bible that did not make it to the 'holy bible'

Galen Fri 28-Feb-14 13:57:42

You can probably find it on I player still

contrarymary Fri 28-Feb-14 17:11:24

There are other writings regarding the crucifixion and resurrection not only the new Testament. Loads of academics, some of them extremely skeptical and some bent on discrediting it, have researched it and have ended up convinced that the amazing events actually happened.

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Mishap Thu 17-Apr-14 12:26:43

Sigh.

feetlebaum Thu 17-Apr-14 12:53:21

The only 'meaning' of life is to continue the species. Anything else is just self-agrandizement.

rosequartz Thu 17-Apr-14 16:14:49

I will probably stick with the Gospels this Easter thank you.

Nonu Thu 17-Apr-14 16:38:14

I fully intend to stay with the gospels this Easter, as always !

smile

Galen Thu 17-Apr-14 16:57:02

I'm going shooting at bunnies and eater eggs! (Bow and arrows not guns! Guns are too noisy)

Galen Thu 17-Apr-14 16:57:21

Easter eggs.

rosequartz Thu 17-Apr-14 16:59:08

Galen tbushock

durhamjen Thu 17-Apr-14 18:36:46

Midday tomorrow, the Great North Passion on BBC1, from South shields. There are a dozen shipping containers, with various groups of people doing things inside them, I do not know what.
Anyone on here involved?

Nonu Thu 17-Apr-14 18:59:28

Tommorrow , Good Friday ,is the Most holy day of the year for Christians.
Many,many I would imagine will spend an hour before the cross !

durhamjen Thu 17-Apr-14 19:34:36

Wish it wouldn't keep moving, though. It's very late this year, or are other years early?

Nonu Thu 17-Apr-14 19:43:06

Well there you go Durhamjem, as the song goes that"s life.
Good Friday is Still the most holy day of the year for Christians !!

rosequartz Thu 17-Apr-14 19:58:29

Ah, well, it all depends on the phases of the moon. It is a moveable feast.

rosequartz Thu 17-Apr-14 20:00:07

DH says it is the first weekend after the first full moon after the spring equinox!

Nonu Thu 17-Apr-14 20:15:25

Good Friday, whenever it falls, late or early, is STill the most holy day of the Christian Calender !!

rosequartz Thu 17-Apr-14 20:21:10

Yes

durhamjen Thu 17-Apr-14 20:28:49

All those going to South Shields will be going to see the cross, Nonu. The shipping containers are in the shape of a cross.

durhamjen Fri 18-Apr-14 13:41:59

Did anyone else watch it?
I thought it was really clever, the way they had so many people involved, and telling their stories.