The Queen and The Pope

Anniebach I imagine we are talking about the bit set up by Henry V111.

Well, those so-called "Christians" out in the Central African Republic certainly don't come under the remit of the Archbishop of Canterbury!

Question 1: IS there a supreme governor of the worldwide anglican network?

Question 2: Does it matter whether there is or not?

"But they all still pee, poo and fart, no matter who they are."

I wonder, would we say that this is typical of the humour on Gransnet? Would almost be worth a separate thread to discuss it.

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My understanding is that Henry VIII declared himself Supreme Governor of the Church IN England, meaning that he still regarded the Church as part of the Catholic communion but not governed by the Pope. Not being a Church historian, I don't know when the Church OF England got this name, but I do remember my history teacher emphasising the distinction between IN and OF.

I thought that the Archbishop of Canterbury was the boss of The Anglicans? So are all C of E Anglicans? But obviously all Anglicans are not C of E ? Why are some converting to Catholicism? So if a married anglican bishop converts to catholicism can he still be a priest? In that case why doesn't the catholic church let priests marry? Its not in the bible is it that they should be celibate...isn't that a made up requirement?

ALL the requirements are made up, including the ten commandments. Religions are made up. By people (peeing, pooing, farting people) for people.

So true Bags - those who originate religions tend to have set broad moral guidelines like "love thy neighbour" not "thou shalt not use contraception"

I just don't get it, I try to understand but so much doesn't make sense!

I am Anglican, part of the world wide Anglican community , I am a member of The Church in Wales. The Arch Bish of Canterbury is the leader of the worldwide Anglican community , the queen is Gov in England only but this is ignored , no one cares , well I don't . America has gay Anglican Bishops, Wales has voted in favour of gay Arch Bishops, England voted no.

So really we are all rather a hotch potch, this suits me, I choose to answer to God not a queen or an Arch Bish

Sadly, this thread has reverted to the usual GN negativity about faith. I thought we might have turned over a new leaf with the thread started by TAB12. And please note, this OP was not confrontational.

That's why I have withdrawn from it Lilygran.

I don't see confrontation. I see a presentation of a wide range of points of view. If anyone feels "confronted" by this, that suggests to me that they feel insecure in their own points of view.

Besides which, I think it's healthy to have one's views confronted. Makes one think.

FSM

I don't see negativity on this thread, just a lot of questioning. Nothing wrong with that.
I agree with bags, I find it interesting to hear differing points of view.

I can never understand why people with a strong religious faith are so defensive. If faith so strong, how can mere words offend?
The Anglican church is very confusing - even to some within it I think.
The first female anglican bishop in the UK was in Northern Ireland.

I don't see any defensiveness. It's just that adolescent lavatory humour seems pointless.

And as for religion being 'made up'. Well of course it is, just the same as every human intellectual striving to understand and make sense of the world is made up, whether it be the plays of Shakespeare or the formulation of the laws of physics. Humankind has, by discovery, trial and improvement and deep thought come an increasingly sophisticated understanding of all sorts of disciplines. That's the way we have evolved and developed.

Our understanding of almost everything is imperfect, but striving to understand and develop that understanding is part of what makes us human.

Yes well Phoenix was having a little moment, so why take any notice as if that characterises the whole thread?

Just bored with it Jess M

I thought it a slighty bizarre gift the Queen gave to the Pope , not a tremendous amount of thought IMO.
Read he looked a bit bemused , and so he should , also said it was going to be given to some of the poor of Rome !

Nonu Whole teams of people are involved in deciding on the type and value of diplomatic presents as it is, apparently, customary for top politicians and royalty to give and receive on official visits abroad. They invariably make the oddest choices.

Not really any more bizarre than the Orb for a baby.At least the contents of the hamper were practical, especially if donated to the poor.

I hope the poor don't all rush at once.