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Christianity and socialism

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soontobe Wed 26-Aug-15 22:08:46

Anniebach said she would start this thread if she knew how, so with her permission, I am starting it on her behalf.

Her words were
"I am a socialist because the principles of socialism follow the teachings of Christ, they cannot be separated".
She did write a few words before and after, but I think this is the part that we both wanted to discuss.

It may be a thread that turns out to only be of interest to a few, and it may possibly be a short thread!

Over to you Anniebach. Personally I dont exactly know what you mean by that, and which parts of the Bible you are refering to.

If you are not ready to post yet, there is no hurry.

soontobe Fri 28-Aug-15 09:48:59

To me, a wealthier country is a better country for poor people to live in, than a poorer one? The poor fare better in terms of money, health provision, education provision etc?
Again, I am willing to be corrected.

granjura Fri 28-Aug-15 09:54:48

Elegran, it is also interesting that so many Churches are built on ground that was sacred to the ancients way before Christianity. We are not Christians and yet feel that the ground we live on has something 'special about it' as someone said the other day when we had a concert here- this place has got very good vibes (we live next to a very old Church in an old vicarage, built on a previous religious building).

durhamjen Fri 28-Aug-15 11:01:57

It depends on the split, soon, between the rich and the poor.
It is not a good time to be poor in this country, as the rich have got richer and the poor have been penalised even more.
The government do not appear to me to be acting in a very Christian or socialist way.

vampirequeen Sat 29-Aug-15 07:47:03

*"Love thy neighbour, do unto others, " etc, however laudable, are not specifically exclusive tenets of Socialism except in the sense that it is underpinned by equality and justice for all.

I think that I agree with this. I dont think durhamjen, vampirequeen and Anniebach do?*

Soontobe please explain why you think I don't agree with this?

The socialists on this site don't seem too keen on humility, forgiveness and turning the other cheek!

Ana, can you give examples please?

soontobe Sat 29-Aug-15 08:04:01

I said that vampirequeen, when I didnt fully understand the term. It took me most of the thread to understand things.

But now I am trying to go back and reunderstand and understand what I was thinking at the beginning, and I am getting confused again!
So I think I was wrong to think that durhamjen, yourself and Anniebach didnt agree with it.

I hope that explains things? confused

Alea Sat 29-Aug-15 09:03:06

Back in that time, there appears to have been buildings, as well as groups meeting in each others' houses, and down by the river etc

Of course there were buildings, Jesus was Jewish and taught in the temple (synagogue) as well as drive the moneylenders out of the temple because it was being used for commercial purposes.
The "house groups" you refer to, with the exception of the Last Supper, didn't start until after his death
The exception is of course his open air meetings, the Sermon on the amount etc, which were just that, public meetings, a bit like Speakers' Corner.
I sometimes think some Christian groups forget or ignore the fact that Jesus was a Jew of his day.

rosequartz Sat 29-Aug-15 09:28:12

I would have said that there is no true, correct answer and that to say 'I am Christian therefore I must be a socialist' cannot be right in all instances.

Socialism has a very broad spectrum, and to take it to its extreme left would mean denying any religion.
To say that moderate Toryism means a person cannot be a Christian is equally wrong.

How much did the church, particularly the Catholic church, follow the teachings of Christ?

anniebach's post about the riches of the church in juxtaposition to the starving street child is so true and the power of the Catholic church to perpetuate poverty in the world by the denial of contraception is an outrage.

The concept of Christanity is a good one but I don't think its ideals can be claimed exclusively by the socialists.

vampirequeen Sat 29-Aug-15 21:49:03

Thanks for clearing that up soontobe flowers

Anniebach Sun 30-Aug-15 23:39:35

rosequartz , there are socialists who are atheists ,it doesn't follow one has to be both . For me I find socialism is closest to my faith. What I don't understand are those who are Christian and racist, support the death penalty, I really have trouble trying to understand how they can claim to follow the teachings of Christ. I just cannot accept reasons put forward for the vast wealth of the Vatican, and as you have said - forbidding contraception , this is not taking the life of a child , often it does take the life of the mother and leaves children without their mother , this is so against the Stations of the Cross where Christ whilst dying protects his mother