Religious tolerance

(That'S from Under Milkwood, not How Green)

Luckygirl. I dont know if you realise, but the Methodist church, especially the smaller churches, have a different preacher each week. You may get the same preacher about 3 times in one year. A minister, if you are lucky, about 8 weeks out of 52.
So a huge variety of services. They dont even have to keep to the Bible readings given as a useful guide, if they dont want to. They are rather free to wander, so long as they dont preach outside of "Methodist doctrine"- or something like that it is called.
But as we are often told, the Methodist Church is indeed rather broad, so we can and sometimes do cover most of the BIble at one point or another.
I cant remember the last time we had a reading from Genesis as it happens, at our particular chapel.

I suspect that you are not going to a Methodist church, and have nowhere near such a breadth of services each week.

Also, certainly where I am, I know there is at least one preacher, who knows that if he gets too high fluting[sp], it will go over just about all the congregations' heads.

Anniebach. I am still looking into things. Where exactly in the Bible does it say that we are all born sinners[using those words].

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin - try that soon.

Original sin is THE basic tenet of the OT - I cannot believe that you know nothing about it. It is simply not possible. You have to be joking. No christian church, however broad, can possibly not have noticed this......!

This is what puts many off religion - try the book I mentioned by Matthew Fox.

I do not go to churches for the worship, but to provide music and I think I have been to just about every christian denomination. They all know about original sin!!

Yes Jingle, I know Under Milkwood, acted in it so many times I expect I know most of the parts, so you are basing your criticism on a country based on one writers work? Oh dear

soon, this has nothing to do with your church or how many pastors you have in a year, it is your belief that the bible is to be taken literally

The bit in the Bible that seems to definitely agree that we are all born sinners is Psalm 51v5 written by David[not sure if he was king at that point or not].
"Indeed, I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me".

Which sounds rather conclusive.
I do always like ideally to have at least one other definite verse, when I am trying to sort something out, biblically wise, but cant find another one yet.
Also, I have something in the back of my mind concerning children and not sinning, but I cant find it yet. Will post if I can find it.

I did find something which Anniebach might like.
When king David lost his child he wrote along the lines of " I cannot bring him back again. I shall go to him, but he will not return to me".
Which rather states that children go to heaven[we know that from other places in the Bible too].
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Not criticising the country at all. Love Wales!

So David assumed he was going to heaven even though he committed adultery and murder soon ?

I know my brother was in the ever loving arms from the moment he died soon

It is a lovely country jingle, if you could get the welsh out you could love it more

No Anniebach, I dont think that Jesus would have stopped you brother going into church.

I think that your priest, or whoever he got his orders from, interpreted the Bible, or perhaps the Old Testament wrongly. In which case, I think you will agree, that that is not God's fault in that instance?

Apologies if I have got that a bit muddled, I dont know much about how the RC church operates.

Do you think that sometimes the RC church does not follow the Bible, and therefore it is the church that has got some things wrong, rather than God? And your disagreement is with the RC church rather than God?
Perhaps there are other things like that too?

Are you still a member of the RC church?

that was in response to Ab

Try the link I posted soon - all will be revealed!

It says in the BIble that David only committed the one sin[admittedly a huge great big one].
He also said sorry genuinely so was forgiven.

You dont seem to believe much of the Bible at all. About 4 books out of 66.
I dont feel like agreeing with 62 books for you.

Elegran. I will come back to your points at some point.

I don't think there's anything in the OT about "original sin". The allegorical story of Adam and Eve states that they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So before that they were in a state of innocence.
I had a quick look on Google and it seems that the concept was introduced by the early Roman church.

soon,i have never been a member of the RC Church, I am sure I would have been ex communicated years ago if I had . I did work in a convent for a number of years and loved the nuns

I was brought up baptist, joined the Anglican Church but am very drawn to the Quakers, I also visit a Buddist retreat just outside our town and join Hindu friends for their celebrations. I have joined a group of JW,s for a four month bible study group ,I also join a pagan group to celebrate Spring, I enjoy that, hanging ribbons on trees and listening to their poems is lovely.

The shortest verse in the Bible is 'Jesus Wept. Second is 'God is LOVE'

"Allegorical" being the operative word........ soon it refers to a literary device or rhetorical device that conveys hidden meanings through symbolic figures, actions, imagery, and/or events, which together create the moral, spiritual, or political meaning the author wishes to convey.....i.e. they are NOT real. - which is why people do not take the bible literally.

So which was the one sin soon? , the betrayal of his wife Michal, his affair with Bathsheba or sending her husband to war so he would be killed ?

He had all those little babies killed!

Or was that Herod? Long time since I went to Sunday School.

It was 'erod. It's come back to me now.

Herod Jingle

#needtoknowbasis

Was that King David, jings? I rather thought it was Herod.

The child that died was the baby born to the Uriah's wife, who David had married after deliberately sending her husband to certain death fighting at the very front of the army. The Bible account blames the child's death on David's sin -

2 Samuel 12:14 “However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die.” "

15 So Nathan went to his house. Then the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s widow bore to David, so that he was very sick.

16 David therefore inquired of God for the child; and David fasted and went and lay all night on the ground.

17 The elders of his household stood beside him in order to raise him up from the ground, but he was unwilling and would not eat food with them.

18 Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died.

Ab. I dont think I want to go through bits of the Bible that are easy to look up, or google, so perhaps we will leave our talk there for now.

TriciaF, you could be right.

Elegran, back later.