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Anya Sun 30-Aug-15 14:47:08

Dr. Laura Slessinger is a well-known conservative talk show host. She has expressed very negative beliefs about homosexuality.

She has firmly supported and advocated biblical morality on her TV and radio shows. The following is a tongue-in-cheek letter seeking Dr. Laura's advice on applying biblical morality and religious duties in today's world. Its author is unknown.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When people try to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them:

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9).The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24).The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you.

Anniebach Wed 09-Sept-15 09:45:01

He hath shown thee o man what is good, and what The Lord requires of you

But to do justly,

To love mercy

And walk humbly with your God

Micah 6.8

soontobe Wed 09-Sept-15 11:15:38

jingl post 22.52pm I wonder that myself.

Hi saturnvista.

I havent got time to read through all posts on here since whenever I was last on.
Justing saying hi to everyone really, and will return at some point.

soontobe Wed 09-Sept-15 11:22:26

granjura post 22.36pm God does not ask them to do so!!!

TriciaF Wed 09-Sept-15 11:43:12

Back to Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac - I was once talking to an Arab/Muslim about religion, they get much of the Sharia law from the OT. He told me that their version of the story is that it was Ishmael, not Isaac. Who was after all his firstborn, but not of Sarah.
That's where a lot of the argument about who should live in the Holy Land comes from.

Altissimma Wed 09-Sept-15 13:02:13

It's been great reading all the posts on this topic.

The bible was an opportunity to more accurately record the stories that had been told from generation to generation - an oral history - meant to provide the foundation of clean living at the same time as providing the genealogy of man. I formed an opinion that the bible shouldn't be interpreted literally, after all, it was written when we were all living in the desert and so much isn't applicable to the life we lead now!

What made me laugh out loud was a video posted on Facebook that comes from "The West Wing" - never watched it but I think it sums up my feelings on the topic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 09-Sept-15 13:24:58

saturnvista, it's good (and amazing) to read of your completely untroubled view of Christianity. I hope your faith remains whole, as the years go by. smile

Have googled Jubilee years. Don't think it would work today. I think our safety nets of today are somehow more reliable. But feèl free to enlighten me otherwise.

roastchicken

Anniebach Wed 09-Sept-15 13:29:29

Brilliant, thank you for posting the link

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 09-Sept-15 13:36:50

Yes. A good link. It's much better put over than the original post on this thread, which is very similar.

TriciaF Wed 09-Sept-15 14:19:51

He doesn't think much of her ideas does he? wink
But those laws were only meant to be for the Children of Israel at that time, not for all the other nations, so I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Alea Wed 09-Sept-15 14:40:13

Brilliant, but then I think all of the West Wing is brilliant-
Jed Barlett for US President, I say!
#totalwingnutgranny

Alea Wed 09-Sept-15 14:57:28

BTW I see you have returned to this thread GJ, any chance of a reply to some of the questions posed to you on the NHS thread?
(Not talking about threads, honest guv!!)

Luckygirl Wed 09-Sept-15 17:32:33

To answer saturnvista's question: kindness.

That is all that is needed and all the supernatural projections in the world will not change that.

How many religions actually stick to that basic tenet: none.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 09-Sept-15 17:35:30

Oh! Christianity does.

Elegran Wed 09-Sept-15 18:25:50

Not all flavours of Christianity, jings Some of them have layers of additional thou-shalt-nots and damned-if-you-dos.

Luckygirl Wed 09-Sept-15 18:59:05

Christianity means to (like most other religions) but there was nothing kind about the nuns in the Irish laundries persecuting "fallen" girls, for example - just one example of many.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 09-Sept-15 19:01:04

Well. There's always going to bad "Christians".

Joan Wed 09-Sept-15 22:16:16

There is bad everywhere - I go with the Weinberg quote though:

" Good people tend to do good things, bad people tend to do bad things, but for good people to do bad things - THAT takes religion!"

Anniebach Thu 10-Sept-15 18:40:02

Luckygirl, the treatment in those laundries was brutal but it was of it's time, pregnancy was one of the biggest disgraces that could befall a family, parents forced their daughters into those places , they supported the treatment of their daughters, difficult to understand how a community could have carried out such treatment but the girls were viewed as having committed a sin, no different to criminals, it was the upbringing of the nuns too, perhaps they saw their own siblings treated brutally by their parents, I am in no way excusing the treatment

Luckygirl Thu 10-Sept-15 19:09:09

The crusades?

saturnvista Thu 10-Sept-15 21:51:45

Really, I had no idea you were such a heathen lot on here grin. And they think religion is only now dying out in Britain. It must have been dead as a dodo several generations before gransnet, let alone mumsnet. I don't blame the devil...I blame Christians, myself included.

I'm not saying the laundries weren't despicable, but the lady who wrote the best-seller about them is lying without a doubt.

Luckygirl Thu 10-Sept-15 22:04:08

Lying?!

granjura Thu 10-Sept-15 22:04:36

yes Jingle, agreed. There are always going to be bad Muslims, and bad atheists too. Although I have very rarely met a bad Humanist- perhaps I've been lucky.

Anniebach Fri 11-Sept-15 09:37:58

The nuns in the laundries are brought into most discussions on Christianity,
For some reason no one writes books about the good these woman do, but good doesn't sell books does it

Luckygirl Fri 11-Sept-15 09:41:32

I recognise the good that christians do, but we are discussing the evil that is done in the name of all religions by people who take their religious texts literally. It is a dangerous path.

Anniebach Fri 11-Sept-15 10:22:40

But Luckygirl, my point - people are only interested in what is bad or wrong .